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What is your opinion on Manson Muddy? I recently watched some interviews with him on youtube. He appears somewhat interesting or sensible in what he says. :dunno: I don't know what all the evidence against him was. Is it possible he's basically innocent?
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Once upon a time I read a few things about that case including the book Helter Skelter by the lawyer Bugliosi and I was much more informed about it. But it is a million miles from fresh in my mind at this point.

About all I can say is this: people talk about him like he is a serial killer - but he never killed anyone. He told people to kill and they did it. To me, that is on them. If Charles Manson told me to kill people, no one would end up dead. I would just pinch his cheek and tell him what a cute little dickens he is.

The people who killed are the killers IMO.




Having said all that, I never felt that having him wandering around free was a particularly safe idea. Jail does not seem like a bad place for him.
 
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Once upon a time I read a few things about that case including the book Helter Skelter by the lawyer Bugliosi and I was much more informed about it. But it is a million miles from fresh in my mind at this point.

About all I can say is this: people talk about him like he is a serial killer - but he never killed anyone. He told people to kill and they did it. To me, that is on them. If Charles Manson told me to kill people, no one would end up dead. I would just pinch his cheek and tell him what a cute little dickens he is.

The people who killed are the killers IMO.




Having said all that, I never felt that having him wandering around free was a particularly safe idea. Jail does not seem like a bad place for him.
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Some older movies given a refreshed viewing in the last little bit:


The Player (1992) - Can't believe it has been out 20 years. Anyway, one of Robert Altman's best IMO. It was followed more-or-less immediately by another great one, Short Cuts, so it was a very fertile creative time for Altman. I love The Player. It is a funny, thoughtful, cameo-fest and a rare case of Altman actually giving a shit about commercial film-making values, even if only satirically (but sort of sincerely too). It works. 8 out of 10





The Wall (1982) - Pink Floyd was my favorite band from the time I was 15 until . . . well, they're still right up there. Big Pink Floyd fan. I had not seen The Wall in ages nor had I heard the record so it was good to reconnect.

I enjoy this movie but do not find it outstanding. I had forgotten how laden it is in mommy/daddy issues which I am not as interested in exploring as this movie. While I love lots of the music, I did not like how they chose to chop/butcher a few songs. But overall it's an interesting, if somewhat garbled, artistic vision. And, though I place the Wall below many other things Pink Floyd has done musically, I still do love lots of the music.

7 out of 10




Sweet Charity (1969) - Enjoyed it thoroughly. Great performance by Shirley MacLaine and many classic song/dance numbers. The Bob Fosse choreography is outstanding (if you're into that sort of thing - which I am). 7 out of 10.

This Fosse clip, I love. I've watched it about 13 times since seeing the movie. So many odd looks and angles all thrown together harmoniously. If Fosse had not been a choreographer, he should have been an architect:



 
sunday night is action fuckin packed again...

boardwalk empire
hell on wheels
leverage
copper (cop/detective show based 150 yrs ago or some shit in new york...very good)
revolution (new show...world loses all power and Gus and his crew go after people they think can fix it)
inspector george gently (english detective show based in the 70s...its a mini series)
downton abbey
weeds
the mob doctor (exactly what it is...nurse chick that helps mob guys when injured...premise good, acting not so much... the dead butcher from boardwalk has a nice role)

muddy and mr. monkey would like copper and george gently i think.

anyways, too much good shit on one night
 
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