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Oh. I haven't actually dealt with him since I was talking about it before. He usually shows up in the morning when I am in the other department.

Everyone agrees with me in principle - I even got a few, "Good for you's."

But I saw my boss's reply to the email and he totally avoided the point. He kinda focused on the idea that the guy hadn't clearly asked me for help, instead of getting to the heart of the matter - that I feel they don't need help and refused. Ideally my boss should also have said no one is going to help any more and it has been a mistake that we have helped in the past and it is going to stop.

My boss is a real nice guy and a hard worker but does not have the personality to be a boss. Avoids confrontation at all cost. Like he has joined me in cutting down the guy's position and making sarcastic jokes about him - but I don't know if that has translated to actually stopping with the "help."

So I'm not sure what people have been doing when that driver shows up. I guess I should ask.

But unless someone gives me a direct order otherwise, next time I am unloading him - it's bound to happen eventually - I will just approach him directly and say, "I saw the email from your company and unless you can give me some good reason you need extra help, my answer is no, not a chance. I want to be crystal clear here: never."

Maybe he actually does have a good reason. It would surprise the hell out of me but maybe. I'm not a guy to get in screaming matches or whatever. If there is something reasonable going on, fine. I thought at first maybe his helper was retarded or something. That would be a fair enough argument.

But he's not.

So I guess this is still a work-in-progress . . .
 
Fucked up situation initiated by someone choosing not to fulfill their job duties, and he's going do be defensive about that. It sounds to me like if he had a card to play for needing the help he would have pulled it out long ago in that email exchange. You really have to be cornered into trying to find the right way to politely tell him you have your own job to do and it's not his? It'd be awkward but something like "listen I'm not looking to argue about it but I have my own job to do" but shit that sounds confrontational as well. Also I don't think there's much he could say back to or about something like that without lying.
 
Do you know the easiest way to get to go home from work and not really get in any trouble in doing so?

It's easy. First thing you do is SHIT YOUR PANTS. Then you just tell your co-workers that you shit your pants and that you only have one pair of underwear with you. Then proceed to tell them that it does not feel that bad or stink too much and that you are ok to keep working... It is almost guaranteed that they will just let you go home.

I dunno if this is an urban legend type tall tale but I have heard different versions of this story over the years.
 
Mudcat
Oh. I haven't actually dealt with him since I was talking about it before. He usually shows up in the morning when I am in the other department.

Everyone agrees with me in principle - I even got a few, "Good for you's."

But I saw my boss's reply to the email and he totally avoided the point. He kinda focused on the idea that the guy hadn't clearly asked me for help, instead of getting to the heart of the matter - that I feel they don't need help and refused. Ideally my boss should also have said no one is going to help any more and it has been a mistake that we have helped in the past and it is going to stop.

My boss is a real nice guy and a hard worker but does not have the personality to be a boss. Avoids confrontation at all cost. Like he has joined me in cutting down the guy's position and making sarcastic jokes about him - but I don't know if that has translated to actually stopping with the "help."

So I'm not sure what people have been doing when that driver shows up. I guess I should ask.

But unless someone gives me a direct order otherwise, next time I am unloading him - it's bound to happen eventually - I will just approach him directly and say, "I saw the email from your company and unless you can give me some good reason you need extra help, my answer is no, not a chance. I want to be crystal clear here: never."

Maybe he actually does have a good reason. It would surprise the hell out of me but maybe. I'm not a guy to get in screaming matches or whatever. If there is something reasonable going on, fine. I thought at first maybe his helper was retarded or something. That would be a fair enough argument.

But he's not.

So I guess this is still a work-in-progress . . .
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Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see a big deal in helping him. By getting him out faster, it makes everyone's day smoother.
 
FairWarning
Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see a big deal in helping him. By getting him out faster, it makes everyone's day smoother.
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I think the problem lies in the fact that the driver has a helper sitting in the cab doing nothing.
He should be the one helping the driver back out.

Good for liability issues as well. Mudcats company could be partially liable if one of their employees assists the driver and the truck is involved in an accident.
 
bacon
Fucked up situation initiated by someone choosing not to fulfill their job duties, and he's going do be defensive about that. It sounds to me like if he had a card to play for needing the help he would have pulled it out long ago in that email exchange. You really have to be cornered into trying to find the right way to politely tell him you have your own job to do and it's not his? It'd be awkward but something like "listen I'm not looking to argue about it but I have my own job to do" but shit that sounds confrontational as well. Also I don't think there's much he could say back to or about something like that without lying.
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You are looking at it from a very different angle than me. I am not worried about finessing the guy and being delicate with his feelings and avoiding making him defensive. As far as I'm concerned, he's a lummox and should be embarrassed. If he gets difficult and I have to say that in so many words, I don't mind. Time to be a man. He's got 2 guys who spend their whole worklife dealing with driving and traffic, and they still need a third guy to hold their hand so they can get their truck on the road?

Redonkulous.

I mean, I will start off in a calm attitude and hopeful never have to depart from that - but if I have to say, "What the fuck is wrong with you guys?" I will.

Guy has no leverage. I don't have to kiss his ass. It's not a situation of the customer is always right. He's a truck driver who has to deliver freight to us. If anything, we're the customer. But whatever, I'm not looking to have my ass kissed for that kind of reason. I'm right and that's it.
 
IAG
:lol:



Oh and P.S. Hey Reno...do you know what tomorrow is?


And fyi...telling us you shit your pants won't get you out of it.
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:up:

was just trying to putting something together. Got bogged down on something that's not going anywhere. This may be a weird one


oh, and would like to see a vid of Muddy telling people "what the fuck's wrong with you?"
 
plommer
I think the problem lies in the fact that the driver has a helper sitting in the cab doing nothing.
He should be the one helping the driver back out.

Good for liability issues as well. Mudcats company could be partially liable if one of their employees assists the driver and the truck is involved in an accident.
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Very true. Having a rider makes little sense. If muddy's company has a person help him out and he gets in an accident, the driver is incompetent.

I guess I look at this from the outside on a scale of 1-5, 1 being lowest as a 1 on thing to bitch about on the job. It really is a harmless deal.
 
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