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It is a bizarre spectacle watching neocons defending all things BP

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losturmarbles
once again, this ISN'T settling out of court. so stop saying that it is. First you say this is a out of court settlement, then you say they're still liable for lawsuits, and then say they're settling out of court. you're continuing to contradict yourself.

Obama doesn't have the authority to "inform" BP's CEO that he "is to" create an escrow account for the government to payout claims with.



it applies to your consistency. I made that obvious in my query.

I'm not sure how Bush applies, or guessing how Republicans would respond to whatever actions are or are not taken, but that doesn't stop you from injecting it into every other post.
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It is PART of the settlement. What the fuck don't you understand about that? OF COURSE THEY STILL HAVE LIABILITY!!!! This is going to cost well over $20 billion. What don't you understand about that either? It is for IMMEDIATE assistance so that the government does not have to front the bill. What the fuck would you prefer? Would you rather have the government incur MORE debt? Like I said, you can certainly make a donation to poor BP.

It certainly does not apply to my consistency. I'm against bailouts - that includes the government fronting the bill for corporate wrecklessness. Get it yet?

You're the one that inferred that Obama was trying to bailout and control BP. The fact is that the Republicans initiated the bailouts so attempting to hold that over his head is not only juvenile but extremely ignorant.
 
MonkeyF0cker
It is PART of the settlement. What the fuck don't you understand about that? OF COURSE THEY STILL HAVE LIABILITY!!!! This is going to cost well over $20 billion. What don't you understand about that either? It is for IMMEDIATE assistance so that the government does not have to front the bill. What the fuck would you prefer? Would you rather have the government incur MORE debt?
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so now it's PART of the settlement. :propeller:
according to who again???

MonkeyF0cker
You're the one that inferred that Obama was trying to bailout and control BP. The fact is that the Republicans initiated the bailouts so attempting to hold that over his head is not only juvenile but extremely ignorant.
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hmm, did i infer that? now either you are purposely lying or you fail at reading comprehension.

Did Republicans initiate the bailouts? I would call bullshit here but I honestly don't know. I don't really care if a politician has a D or a R at the end of their name. Just whether or not they know the role of government and follow the rule of law.

And you keep saying "initiate" like that's the bigger sin than actually passing it. ok, whatever. What I do know is at the time in congress you're talking about, Democrats had control of both houses and were pushing the agendas. Not that that didn't stop plenty of Republicans from jumping on board with the expansion of government. Big government Republicans were aplenty the previous 8+ years, and even the last 2.

It's not about holding something over his head lol. It's about holding him accountable for his policies. Something you want to make excuses for.
 
Daft
The above quote is the spirit of this thread. I love capitalism and I love guns. I don't fit the profile of the liberals which you describe but fiveteamer is absolutely correct when he states that America has gone completely partisan no matter what the issue.
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where is this profile of liberals that I describe?

yeah spirit of this thread :jerk:

a thread that's titled "It is a bizarre spectacle watching neocons defending all things BP ". Yeah, that seems completely non-partisan to me.

So I can't criticize the unlawful tactics of the Obama administration without also being partisan?
 
losturmarbles
so now it's PART of the settlement. :propeller:
according to who again???



hmm, did i infer that? now either you are purposely lying or you fail at reading comprehension.

Did Republicans initiate the bailouts? I would call bullshit here but I honestly don't know. I don't really care if a politician has a D or a R at the end of their name. Just whether or not they know the role of government and follow the rule of law.

And you keep saying "initiate" like that's the bigger sin than actually passing it. ok, whatever. What I do know is at the time in congress you're talking about, Democrats had control of both houses and were pushing the agendas. Not that that didn't stop plenty of Republicans from jumping on board with the expansion of government. Big government Republicans were aplenty the previous 8+ years, and even the last 2.

It's not about holding something over his head lol. It's about holding him accountable for his policies. Something you want to make excuses for.
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It's pretty much common sense that it is PART of the settlement. Durr. That's why they are STILL LIABLE. If you know so little about the bailouts, then you probably shouldn't be attacking Obama for them. And yes, you most certainly said it. You can check back if you'd like. The bailouts took place at the very end of Bush's term and were completed at the beginning of Obama's. The cornerstone of the bailouts was implemented during Bush's term where he and Paulson were heavily involved in the drafting of it. BP agreed to this fund. It certainly can't be very out of order. However, your side of the aisle is simply making themselves look like complete toolbox idiots. AGAIN, WOULD YOU PREFER TO PAY FOR IT YOURSELF?
 
States Need To Launch Criminal Investigation Into BP, Federal Governments Role In Oil Spill

^^ good read.

The Jones Act, which forbids foreign ships from operating between U.S. ports, can be waived in in cases of national emergencies or in cases of strategic interest. Belgian company DEME contends that it has the specialist vessels to fix the oil leak within two to four months, technology the U.S. does not have. By taking bids on a contract to fix the oil leak from international companies, Obama could have the problem solved within a matter of weeks, but he immediately refused the help of thirteen entities that had offered the U.S. oil spill assistance within about two weeks of the Horizon rig explosion. This is another clear example of the governments motivation to allow the crisis to drag on indefinitely until they can use it to ram through their environmental agenda...
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The same talking heads that are criticizing Obama and government now for not reacting quickly enough or doing enough are the same partisan hacks who told people not to rely on government after Katrina. Not to rely on the nanny state - which was a valid argument that I agreed with at the time - to take care of you in situations such this.

Government is inept, bureaucrats cannot be relied upon.

Now, apparently, government is supposed to take care of people in these situations. Where is Obama? Obama help me.

If you are upset about some $20B slush fund that was created to dole out to victims or something I'm not familiar with that. I was speaking more to the fact that people felt government did not react quickly enough, or didn't do enough, or that Obama didn't cry on T.V. or something.

Katrina and this BP shit are disasters that were both predictable and preventable.
 
fiveteamer
The same talking heads that are criticizing Obama and government now for not reacting quickly enough or doing enough are the same partisan hacks who told people not to rely on government after Katrina. Not to rely on the nanny state - which was a valid argument that I agreed with at the time - to take care of you in situations such this.

Government is inept, bureaucrats cannot be relied upon.

Now, apparently, government is supposed to take care of people in these situations. Where is Obama? Obama help me.

If you are upset about some $20B slush fund that was created to dole out to victims or something I'm not familiar with that. I was speaking more to the fact that people felt government did not react quickly enough, or didn't do enough, or that Obama didn't cry on T.V. or something.

Katrina and this BP shit are disasters that were both predictable and preventable.
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Agreed. However, these same people who want less government are now criticizing Obama for holding BP accountable and attempting to avoid using government debt to pay for the disaster. Unreal. Just absolutely unreal.
 
MonkeyF0cker
It's pretty much common sense that it is PART of the settlement. Durr. That's why they are STILL LIABLE. If you know so little about the bailouts, then you probably shouldn't be attacking Obama for them. And yes, you most certainly said it. You can check back if you'd like. The bailouts took place at the very end of Bush's term and were completed at the beginning of Obama's. The cornerstone of the bailouts was implemented during Bush's term where he and Paulson were heavily involved in the drafting of it. BP agreed to this fund. It certainly can't be very out of order. However, your side of the aisle is simply making themselves look like complete toolbox idiots. AGAIN, WOULD YOU PREFER TO PAY FOR IT YOURSELF?
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I apologize for suggesting you were lying, you really do fail at reading comprehension.

so now that Obama has subverted the law by going on tv and saying that he is going to inform :bat: the BP CEO that he is to set up an escrow account for the government to process payouts from, it's "pretty much common sense" that this is part of the settlement. :wacko: ok...
 
losturmarbles
I apologize for suggesting you were lying, you really do fail at reading comprehension.

so now that Obama has subverted the law by going on tv and saying that he is going to inform :bat: the BP CEO that he is to set up an escrow account for the government to process payouts from, it's "pretty much common sense" that this is part of the settlement. :wacko: ok...
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You're an idiot. Just an absolute idiot. You'll defend your idiot side to the death, even though it's obvious to ANYONE with a brain that you're 100% wrong. BP agreed to the terms. He didn't do a single thing that was illegal. Name the law that he broke. The settlement was done before Obama made the announcement, genius. Apparently, you'd rather have the taxpayers pay for this. Right?
 
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