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It is a bizarre spectacle watching neocons defending all things BP

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I'm saying that they should be responsible for stopping the leak and cleaning up the literal mess, restoring the ecosystem back to how it was as best they can. They should have oversight in doing so, but let them do all the heavy lifting under a reasonable timetable.

And you think that putting that money in the hands of a bureaucrat is going to expedite matters at all? I'd honestly trust BP to demonstrate more alacrity than our own government, that's how inept the people in power really are.

Rebuilding and restructuring the local economy is the chore of whoever wants to make a go of it. If the former residents abandon the area then I'm sure some real estate developers and new industry will buy up all that cheap distressed property and make it productive again. Time heals all wounds, moping around waiting for a handout doesn't.
 
RogueScholar
I'm saying that they should be responsible for stopping the leak and cleaning up the literal mess, restoring the ecosystem back to how it was as best they can. They should have oversight in doing so, but let them do all the heavy lifting under a reasonable timetable.

And you think that putting that money in the hands of a bureaucrat is going to expedite matters at all? I'd honestly trust BP to demonstrate more alacrity than our own government, that's how inept the people in power really are.

Rebuilding and restructuring the local economy is the chore of whoever wants to make a go of it. If the former residents abandon the area then I'm sure some real estate developers and new industry will buy up all that cheap distressed property and make it productive again. Time heals all wounds, moping around waiting for a handout doesn't.
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Time does not heal all wounds. 11 people died as a result of this and the implications to the marine life in the gulf have unknown effects. Have you seen Detroit lately? Do you see any development there? Why would someone invest in a depressed local economy exactly? What about this entire incident has led you to believe that BP is either trustworthy or competent in handling claims? Was it when they attempted to pass blame? Was it when Hayward sat up on Capitol Hill and couldn't recall anything?

There is a third party who decides claimant applications. Not only is the money available immediately, but there aren't a million lawyers in the pot scrubbing away 40-50% of it in contingency fees. People are ALREADY receiving claims. They aren't waiting through years of litigation. Either way, they are going to pay. This is a simple case of tort law. So, I'll ask you, what would have been the best way to handle this from a claims perspective? This is BY FAR the best solution.
 
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RogueScholar
And you think that putting that money in the hands of a bureaucrat is going to expedite matters at all? I'd honestly trust BP to demonstrate more alacrity than our own government, that's how inept the people in power really are.

Rebuilding and restructuring the local economy is the chore of whoever wants to make a go of it.
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i agree with this...i would rather this be a payment to the state directly instead of the fed personally.
 
MonkeyF0cker
That's not a logical solution. The implications of the spill are across multiple states with unknown consequences at this point.
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mf...i get the unknown consequence part you mentioned...

6 states affected/20B-escrow; BP sig guarantee for future eco issues determined by third party verification, claims settled by independant arbitrator...

naive?
 
kato
mf...i get the unknown consequence part you mentioned...

6 states affected/20B-escrow; BP sig guarantee for future eco issues determined by third party verification, claims settled by independant arbitrator...

naive?
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The distribution of funds will certainly not be uniform amongst states. It's far easier to have a third party process claims and draw from a single pool. Should the $20 billion exceed the total claims, I would think it would be far easier to reclaim for BP. It also alleviates the possibility of politics within the states themselves over the money. It ensures that the funds are put to their intended use. I think it has to remain federal when it involves multiple states such as this.
 
RogueScholar
We allow those people to remain in power. If people felt their authority was being usurped they have a duty to reappropriate it. So long as people tolerate the current system of government I hold them fully liable for any and all results of it.
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To start, our duty is to not allow these scumbags to endanger humanity. I'm sure members of government are complicit too. (Hell, they're probably one and the same). If we demand serious consequences, business practices will have to change.

The people in power have a lot of resources at their disposal. Not the least of which is effective propaganda. The victims here are in no position to throw anybody out of power.
 
Swarmy
And what happens when this oil slick gets into the Gulf Stream?? The entire east coast will be involved as well. Then we'll see who is still on BP's side.
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A lot of people down here on the Gulf are on BP's side to a point. They don't want the company to go under. The BP stations here are some o the busiest I have seen. The people get the seriousness. They already have a depressed economy that is being hurt further by the moritorium on ofshore drilling. That supplies a lot of jobs and monies down here. They also get that their own federal government is not helping them as much as they could. They could send the skimmer boats the Navy has down here to help. They could suspend the Jones Act of 1920 so that other countries with technology that could make a huge difference could help. Instead the locals are trying to take matters into their own hands only to keep running into federal roadblocks.
 
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