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Joe Pa will be forced to retire

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it's difficult for me to understand who knew what when. i can only relate this to an experience in my own family when a family member was raped when she was 15. there were some who didn't want to report it because they didn't want her to be put through the public humiliation of a trial. i never understood that part; i can only imagine that if i was raped as a teen, yeah, it would be an embarrassing process to go public. but i've just never been one to put embarrassment over, pardon the clich, 'doing what is right.' several of us made it very clear that we were not going to turn a blind eye (i was 18 at the time), public humiliation or not. as it turns out, all the authorities did was charge the guy with statutory rape, the son of a bitch ended up with probation and i suspect it was all due to the fact he was a local professional and his indictment was somehow seen as an embarrassment to the community.

this whole deal at penn state is nothing more than a microcosm of what happened within the catholic church, and as wrong as the priests and others involved were, the people i still blame just as much are those parents who ended up settling out of court.

guess we'll find out more facts, at least i hope facts become more available in this deal. but i'm left wondering what all of the parents were doing when this stuff first started to happen in the late-90s and when the incident in 2002 came about. again, it's not knowing who knew what when that have me concerned.

if your teen-aged son came to you in 2002 and told you this, and you reported it to the police, how long would you remain silent before you simply went public yourself? if the authorities -- the police and the university -- didn't file any charges until 2011, would you have remained silent about it that long?
 
Bay Bud,

Without knowing the details of the 2002 incident I'm suspecting money was involved to silence the parents of the child who was raped. And I'm having a hunch the university refused to pay additional money to the parents of the child and they went to the newspaper which broke the story. It's too big of a cover up to have lasted for almost 10 years and there was definitely money involved to buy silence.
 
if what you're saying is true, pavy, then the parents are equally guilty of the cover-up. if i had a kid who was abused after that, those other parents would be named in my civil suit. as far as i'm concerned, those parents are also criminally negligent.
 
No doubt Joe Pa must have been too into football and nothing outside of it! Wasn't a big fan of his but respected what he built Penn St football into.

Less respect for him when he starting hanging on as the head coach and not letting someone else have the job! Seemed to me an ego battle between him and Bobby Bowden to see you would have the most wins ever!

I guess he won the battle as going down in history as the winningest coach but public opinion will probably show him down the road as .......... don't really have words except that IMO he won't be a winner. Or will this incident be separate?

Reading BB's #44 post makes me ask everyone you make the call on Joe Pa and his actions or non-actions.

Sandusky played for Joe Pa in the mid-sixties.
Coached at Penn St from 1969-1999
Was Defensive coordinator from 1977-1999
Rumored back in the 90's at heir appearent Head Coach

I only see what I read (graphic evidence or witnesses it appears) but no doubt Joe Pa spent countless hours with this man over many years. You have to get to know someone pretty good IMO by then or at least feel comfortable working with the person.

A person goes to Joe Pa and relates what he saw in the shower. So Joe Pa goes to the AD with what he has heard. Wouldn't you think being with Sandusky for that long of time that maybe you should at least ask him bout it? Maybe Joe Pa did and he said no way I did it? Maybe Joe Pa didn't but will say he did? Sandusky was still in the weight room supposedly as of last week.

Joe Pa is the MAN in control of Penn St. If not, he wouldn't still be the head coach there. The guy this powerful IMO can find out what is true and what is not. Or at least check with the AD to find out what the investigation showed? If not true wouldn't Joe Pa want the assistant fired on the spot?

He no doubt fumbled the ball in this instance. I would like to be a "fly on the wall" in hearing what Joe Pa's reaction was to the graduate assistant telling him of the assault.

I see no way Joe Pa comes out of this squeaky clean as his image has seemed for his entire career. The guy who always recruited the good kids over the more athletic kids who had troubles in their past.

Did so much good for Penn St (including never asking for a big ass contract) so I suspect he thinks to himself I really fuked up with this one. A guy 70+ at the time who really might have been into football too much! Just real sad story that only the victims should be entitled to smypathy!!!
 
The cops and the DA need to be investigated too, not enough evidence, bullshit, I wonder how much money has silenced people.

I also find it funny that the story comes out now, just after Paterno, passed Eddie Robinson. I cant believe this wasn't a story 2 weeks ago, 2 months, ago, 2 years ago. Why wait, and have kids lifes ruined.
 
I like that JoePa wanted to come out and speak today. The University killed that for good reason but I do like that he apparently wanted to.
Man I lived there for 9 years. Never a huge fan of the team or anything, that being said...

This is sooooooooooooooooo saaaaaaaaad. Hugh. :tissue:
 
Daft
From everything I have read in the indictment no one told the cops.

Not the campus police, the State Police, the mall cop. Nobody.
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I heard that one of the victims moms confronted Sandusky while the cops were in the other room. So the cops new something.

Also I heard on the radio about a missing DA laptop that wax found damaged later.

All this could be inaccurate
 
I won't go into specifics but the culture in that town is who you know and then you can in large part do what you want - up to an extent.

This went wayyyyyyyyy beyond that extent. The feds get involved? Yeah better luck next time guey

And seriously little boys? Fucking disgusting.

Fuck. fuck.:choo:
 
The 1998 thing was handled by campus police. There was a lengthy report on file about the incident. The local DA at the time decided there was not enough evidence to press charges. In his defense, this was not a case of full on rape in that instance. It was a shower together and touching. Not trying to excuses that but the theory was at the time that Sandusky was just a big dumb jock and he just didn't know any better than to not shower with these boys and give them bear hugs (with a raging erection).

Interesting subplot to that story, the DA who declined to press charges was later discovered missing and presumed dead in 2005. His car was found two towns away, laptop in the river and harddrive destroyed. No evidence or reason to believe that it pertains to Sandusky at all...just interesting.


Another interesting subplot to that affair, the lawyer who was general counsel for PSU during that 1998/99 incident and investigation involving Sandusky went on become the attorney for Sandusky's Second Mile charity (/not for profit pool of victims) from 2002 on...

This thing is far from over. I think there's a lot more dirt to be uncovered.
 
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