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yes, I agree with you. You will always find people who are willing to sell out the country for a few promised magic beans. That's what happened to the USSR.
Democracy, as to how this word is used, means lack of institutions who impede the free flow of selling out the public resources/interest.
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Unfortunately there will never be true 100% democracy anywhere.
 
Seriously though, I do struggle with the refugee debate. I understand MF's point. It reminds me of Blackstone's formulation (although not completely comparable.) If you are not familiar with Blackstone's formulation, read the Wiki article. Although I was, (familiar with it) I read the Wiki article to see if it could offer me any additional assistance in my thought process. it gives some quotes from various historical persons who give their take in context of different historical events. (John Adams vs. Dick Cheney.)

I know it is not an ideal comparison, but the underlying ideals seem to be somewhat related.

My knee-jerk reaction was to stop allowing them to come. The more I really think about it though, the more conflicted I am.

I guess if it were just me at risk, I would let them in. I am a Christian, a risk taker, have no children, and don't live in an urban area. If any of these variables were different, I might think differently of course. After all, few if any Syrian refugees are going to end up in the 605.

I'd be interested in the opinions of Casper, Blitty, and Boner. None of these guys have kids of course, but all living, or having lived in a targeted are they may have a different take despite political affiliation.

I also heard that the vetting process can take 2-3 years for these people ? Is that correct? I assume it is a fairly involved process...would be interested to know what the cost per family averages.
 
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Reminds me of the professional protestors who thought taking on Wall St was going to matter.

We're all a bug about to be splattered by a car windshield in life.
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I dunno, large numbers of people taking up space lets the powers know that there's another variable they have to deal with if they continue making certain moves. That's not to say those powers won't be able to overcome and make a stronger attack on humanity. That's why it a struggle.
 
For me, the obvious answer is for all the countries who are "bombing" ISIS to set up a safe zone in Syria, protect it with a no-fly zone, provide a perimeter, provide housing, clothing, humanitarian aid, medical help, training, and allow them to remain in their home country. Help them to remove the threat to their country and lives. Any true refugee coming here will not assimilate to this culture. It isn't how they were raised. They will require years of government assistance and then be resentful of that assistance ( ie Tsarnaev brothers who came as political refugees). This country is already 20 trillion dollars in debt and cannot afford this additional expense. Help them retain their own country with their own culture and help provide aid until such a time they can stand on their own.
 
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