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RogueJuror
Don't forget how this flood started.

They did it to Allende, to the Sandinistas, to Saddam. They had to incite an arab spring, Tunisia, Mubarak, Gaddafi, Kiev, and they had to try on Al-Assad. They had to weaken Russia's only ally in the region, the only place Russia has a military presence in. Geopolitical power grabs.

Gaddafi's last interview: 'If, instead of a stable government that guarantees security, these militias linked to Bin Laden take control, the Africans will move en mass towards Europe. The Mediterranean will become a sea of chaos.'

Europe is a friend but also a financial rival. They knew the dangers of a power vacuum, greedy calculated risk insulated by two vast oceans.

This isn't about religion, standards of living or forms of government from any side fivey, don't doubt for one second what this is about, power control and money. People shouldn't get lost in the xenophobe comments section of the internet and people and democracies of Europe should decide how much they want to get swung by the collar of en empire's geopolitical tactics. Remember Spain's exit after Atocha 2004.

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."

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Also, she was asking for it.
 
fiveteamer
This is part of the problem. You cannot have a rational discussion about immigration or refugee policy without being shouted down by the cultural marxists as being a 'xenophobe", "racist", "hateful", or "un" something. "Un" Canadian, "un"American, "un" Australian. When your feelings get in the way of rational though or logic, it's better to stifle debate with shutdowns.
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When (unsubstantiated) fear (of terrorists among them) steps in front of helping refugees escape an oppressive regime, who is allowing feelings to get in the way of rational thought and logic? We're a better world if compassion steps in front of rationality and logic more often than fear. Making tens of thousands of innocent people suffer for that fear is unjust.
 
Asking that our government take its time to properly vet and cautiously screen people coming from a part of the world that strap bombs to their bodies in the name of an ancient sky fairy apparently is an extreme right wing, xenophobic and "improper" way to think.
 
FairWarning
There is a lot of greed by the power brokers in those countries also. The public sees next to nothing while the leaders sell it out.
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sure, thats how the system works. You destroy the institutions that make a country more or less livable (in the name of democracy perhaps). You do this by supporting fringe elements that are willing to sell out their country. Once these people gain power, you deal with them easily, pay them to rob the public and call them freedom loving business people.
 
apparently Turkish football fans were chanting "akbar something" during a moment of silence for Paris victims.

I wonder how widespread this whole jihad thing is. I mean, they wanna make it seem in the media that these people are fringe, but who knows whats going on anymore.
Fokers probably infiltrated lots of places, you can't bomb em cause they're in your own cities.

Our governments/elites send out all this endless war and evil around the world and it comes back to bite us the public. I'm not sure they even mind that , probably what they want.
 
reno cool
sure, thats how the system works. You destroy the institutions that make a country more or less livable (in the name of democracy perhaps). You do this by supporting fringe elements that are willing to sell out their country. Once these people gain power, you deal with them easily, pay them to rob the public and call them freedom loving business people.
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But it doesn't have to be democracy, correct? What about countries who sold slave labor.? Not all of those went to democratic nations, right? Russia has sold out their country for many years and their people didn't benefit.
 
reno cool
apparently Turkish football fans were chanting "akbar something" during a moment of silence for Paris victims.

I wonder how widespread this whole jihad thing is. I mean, they wanna make it seem in the media that these people are fringe, but who knows whats going on anymore.
Fokers probably infiltrated lots of places, you can't bomb em cause they're in your own cities.

Our governments/elites send out all this endless war and evil around the world and it comes back to bite us the public. I'm not sure they even mind that , probably what they want.
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I'm sure US and Canadian cities are infiltrated with them. Probably will get worse before it gets better.
 
FairWarning
But it doesn't have to be democracy, correct? What about countries who sold slave labor.? Not all of those went to democratic nations, right? Russia has sold out their country for many years and their people didn't benefit.
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yes, I agree with you. You will always find people who are willing to sell out the country for a few promised magic beans. That's what happened to the USSR.
Democracy, as to how this word is used, means lack of institutions who impede the free flow of selling out the public resources/interest.
 
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