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I am just outside of Toronto.

Is there a specific definition of botanic gardens? There is a park 3.5 inches from me called Rhododendron Gardens that has all kinds of botany growing there all through the summer. A lot of it is labeled and educational n' shit, but it is just a plain old free public park with lots non-botanical areas for bike riding and picnicking and playing frisbee-football, so I don't know if it meets the formal definition of botanical garden.

There is a big honking botanical garden in Burlington which is about twenty minutes in the opposite direction of Toronto. It is definitely a Botanical Garden. A quick google check reveals it being called the biggest (baddest?) botanical garden in Canada. The Royal Botanical Gardens.

I haven't been there since I was a kid. I don't know about Toronto.
 
that looks like what we call a conservatory...

I'm a 15 minute walk from one of the biggest midwestern conservatories.....

its funny, its right in the middle of the ghetto

Garfield Park conservatory..... and its easily accessible by train, which is good. because white people don't like to drive there...

the botanic gardens we have. like up in the north suburbs are HUGE and they charge money.... well technically its free. but parking is 10 or 12 dollars.

but it is like 15 miles long and 2 miles wide.

they have everything that you can grow in the midwest and MORE.

I have a park 3.5 inches from me. one of the largest in chicago. Douglass park...... lots of awesome hobos and illegal immigrant soccer stars.

I might go there and make a vid today. as the sun was just shining
 
I say it looks like a conservatory because they are inside.... like a big 5 acre greenhouse basically, with lots of "different" types of climates and vegatation.

I was gonna go somtime next week and steal some of their 9 inch gold fish for my tanks actually.....

plus some cacti maybe
 
Mudcat
There is a big honking botanical garden in Burlington which is about twenty minutes in the opposite direction of Toronto. It is definitely a Botanical Garden. A quick google check reveals it being called the biggest (baddest?) botanical garden in Canada. The Royal Botanical Gardens.

I haven't been there since I was a kid. I don't know about Toronto.
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My friend was working there for a bit.
 
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Mudcat

self taught on piano/guitar or did you have some training in your early years?
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Well it's like this. When I was about 7, I took formal piano lessons for about a year. I hated it so much I just said the hell with piano and stopped playing.

A few years later in grade 6, there was a guitar club and I had a friend who played guitar so I got curious about that. It was much more user friendly than formal piano lessons - it was just guys playing together. You learned by having someone a little better than you demonstrate something and it was real songs (as opposed to scales and shit) and it was fun.

So I was sold on guitar.

Some of what I had been shown in piano lessons stuck with me and I started to make connections between guitar and piano. I started to see how any guitar chord could be constructed on piano just the same. I started playing some piano the same way I played guitar - basically just playing chords, and putting chords together so I was playing songs.

And I developed my technique somewhat and piano became fun too.
 
Muddy, what was the first offshore gambling forum you found on the internet? what posters made an impact on you there.

how many other forums were you a member of before you became an SBR forum mod?

ever talk to John Walker 1849 on the phone?
 
My first forum was Covers. I would guess I made about 4000 posts there between 2002 and mid-2005.

I did 2 different things at Covers. One was I hung around in the Sportsbook/Industry forum and talked about betting. People who made an impression were Jenxy - an arbitrageur in England whom I got to know fairly well and we talked a lot off the forum. I remember having productive chats with vanzack and depeche2 (d2bets). That's also where I met Bill Dozer who was called (something like) steamchaser at the time. I remember pags was there - and Buddybear (who was called sparger I think??). I was still on good terms with those guys back then. I'm sure I am leaving out some important names.

I also hung around in the Rubber Room (or whatever it was called) and talked trash with people who were banished. I busted ghosts and did some gambling and had little pools with a group of ne'er-do-wells who became my regular friends/enemies there. I remember a few names but I don't think any of them are around any more - at least not under the same names.



That was really the only forum I hung around before SBR. I think I had dunked my toe in at theRX and Major Wager but just a small number of posts.



I'm not sure if I ever talked to SBR John on the phone. I remember he phoned me and left a message after I quit but he never got back to me. Bill was my main contact.
 
wow.... great run down Muddy...

its funny how posters/names we know were way different back then....

steamchaser/dozer?

who got in touch with you to be a mod? did they email? pm? phone call?



totally different direction. Do you have an AA sponsoreee? I guy or gal that can call you in the throes of some sort of crisis?

did/do you have a sponsor? or do you kinda just attend here and there. but not get fully immersed in the 12 steps?
 
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