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MonkeyF0cker
The bottom line is that the "technology" of a pistol has not effectively changed much in over a century. Yet, gun violence has risen dramatically in that same time period. Something is changing, but it's not guns and it's not gun laws.
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yeah how many people were there in the great USA in 1912? how many today?

now lets talk gun violence

what were the 1991 USA gun violence "incidents'? what were they in 2011

how many guns were made in the US in 1912? how many this year?

its not so simple
 
Archie
yeah how many people were there in the great USA in 1912? how many today?

now lets talk gun violence

what were the 1991 USA gun violence "incidents'? what were they in 2011

how many guns were made in the US in 1912? how many this year?

its not so simple
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As a percentage of population that owned firearms, I would guess that it was higher in 1912 than today. More families were hunters and farmers back then. Of course, that's just conjecture on my part though.

Ownership seems to hover at around 50% of citizens over the past 20 years according to Gallup polls...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world and one of the lowest homicide rates.

I never said it was simple. It certainly isn't. Some seem to insinuate that it is that simple though. Only a law away from resolution.
 
exactly!!! it ain't simple to figure out all the moving parts and sociology around guns especially when comparing things from 100 years ago.

at least get some stats or answers before you resort to conjecture for

"bottom line" statements

cuz Bisexual Archie said so!
 
Archie
exactly!!! it ain't simple to figure out all the moving parts and sociology around guns especially when comparing things from 100 years ago.

at least get some stats or answers before you resort to conjecture for

"bottom line" statements

cuz Bisexual Archie said so!
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There was no conjecture in stating that pistol technology has not changed much in the last century. That was the "bottom line."
 
MonkeyF0cker
As a percentage of population that owned firearms, I would guess that it was higher in 1912 than today. More families were hunters and farmers back then. Of course, that's just conjecture on my part though.

Ownership seems to hover at around 50% of citizens over the past 20 years according to Gallup polls...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world and one of the lowest homicide rates.

I never said it was simple. It certainly isn't. Some seem to insinuate that it is that simple though. Only a law away from resolution.
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Switzerland has no military. That's why citizens own guns.
 
This week, the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced that in 2010 the U.S. homicide rate fell to 4.2 homicides per 100,000 residents, the lowest U.S. homicide rate in four decades.


http://blogs.justice.gov/main/archives/1765

hmmmm

maybe the bottom line is we got alot more media, plus internet media, plus more wack jobs doing mass killings and more whites reporting the "scary" murder rates in the hood.

scare tactics.

we are fine, lets not over react
 
MonkeyF0cker
That doesn't explain the lack of gun violence (in correlation to gun ownership).
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There could be less gun violence in Switzerland than the US but that doesn't mean there is no violence. People in Europe settle their differences differently. Have you ever heard of hooligans and anarchists? They like to beat each other with fists, sticks, bats, bottles, rocks, etc. They never shoot each other.

My point is there is violence in other countries..just not gun violence.
 
Archie
but has gun violence really risen dramatically?
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Here's a graph including total violent crime from 1960 to 2008... What's your conclusion?

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How great were the 90's? Amazing.
 
Saulty
There could be less gun violence in Switzerland than the US but that doesn't mean there is no violence. People in Europe settle their differences differently. Have you ever heard of hooligans and anarchists? They like to beat each other with fists, sticks, bats, bottles, rocks, etc. They never shoot each other.

My point is there is violence in other countries..just not gun violence.
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Well, we're agreeing in a way. My point is that there are other countries where citizens have similar access to guns and they don't have the same problems that the U.S. does.
 
I think we have more info now on violence than we did before our "bottom line" statement

I'm happy with that.

I need a graph from 100 years ago.

I know we've really become alot less of a violent nation in my lifetime

I think that is great
 
yeah i've seen homicide stats from chicago from the 90's till now, its unreal how dramatically we've come down. pretty much in half.

yet every summer, when we get gang bangers shooting each other because they all got moved out of torn down projects into real apartments on real blocks, we hear cries for the Military to come in and take over!! lol

things aren't so bad
 
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