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Zone #2 Tron, Kato, Nina, Plommer, Reno

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please give my part to mr.monkey

Iag, I just don't understand how it is possible for us to not understand each other to such an extent. I thought it would be more fun to lower our bets from 100% to 25-50, so that we don't get wiped out with one loss and perhaps keep going for a while. If you didn't want to keep going say so. Me and Tron agreed on rules, kato and plommer didn't comment, neither did Nina. I wasn't the one who posted any of the three plays that got bet. You asked me for my logic for wanting to be aggressive I explained it.
 
please give my part to mr.monkey

Iag, I just don't understand how it is possible for us to not understand each other to such an extent. I thought it would be more fun to lower our bets from 100% to 25-50, so that we don't get wiped out with one loss and perhaps keep going for a while. If you didn't want to keep going say so. Me and Tron agreed on rules, kato and plommer didn't comment, neither did Nina. I wasn't the one who posted any of the three plays that got bet. You asked me for my logic for wanting to be aggressive I explained it.

I never asked you for logic in being more aggressive...other than when you used the all in example. You started trying to "teach" me, and then I found fault with your roulette example as being too extreme choices. I never found fault in the logic other than betting simultaneous plays.

I think you have selective memory pal. The zone was OVER. You said you wanted to keep it going. Someone agreed with you. I suggested you go small to protect your investment. You said minimum of %25-%50. Tron hesitated but finally agreed with you (later said max of %7) I was cool with whatever. I never tried to sway back to a lower amount. Everyone was all over the place. In the end, I thought it was pretty much settled in at a firm risk of %25 and that is how I was putting them in.
Then Plommer hinted I should have put in the play for win amount of %25, not risk amount so I upped that bet.

You had said if there were multiple plays put out to put them all in at the same time. THIS is the part I disagreed with...not betting %25 per play. I thought that was reasonable. You kept trying to explain why that was the easiest way to your goal...but the only example you gave was one using two extremes (roulette example) When I asked why those were the only options, you said you were using that as an example of quickest way to win ..this is where the confusion was because your example was going all in when we all had already decided %25.
The problem AGAIN was betting 3/4 or more of the bankroll at one time. I didn't like THAT approach. I don't think Tron and Nina did either...they had voiced the one at a time approach earlier. It wasn't that I couldn't understand your reasoning of betting more aggressively.

You kept insisiting on trying to "teach" me something as if I haven't been doing this for 20 years. I get the aggressive approach, but not an all-in approach by having all the bankroll out there at once. I also look at the zones differently than I do in "normal" betting since there is a limited bankroll.

I know that you were not the one who put in the 3 simultaneous plays..but you were the one who suggested it. So we went from one at a time %25 plan to complete anarchy...Plommer wanting a bet over %25 (up for debate as to whether he was serious) and then Kato and Tron throwing out plays with Plommer's play pending. It was as if the only thing that resembled a plan had been abandoned. That's where I got frustrated and you just kept trying to teach me why smaller bets weren't going to go anywhere.

Honestly, it would be easier on me if you went all=in and busted. I have no stake in the bankroll...this was done for you guys. But it was done for fun and maybe some winning....And if Tron's play had not won you would be almost back to square one. You could argue that whether or not the plays were done simultaneously or done one at a time, they still carry the same risk. But if you do them one at a time, you can step back and evaluate if you DO want to change up the system. It also allows people to get out if they choose...and in my experience it results in more selective better plays.
 
i apologize for going on tilt

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I vote we keep going till we hit~50k. perhaps pay off those that want out. But lower bets to 20-50% of bankroll :up:


$25-$50 isn't gonna get us anywhere. I'm saying 25%-50%. Like next bet =$80-$160.
Also stick with the raising of bets after wins. Perhaps double the bet after 2 wins maybe.
Or just leave it to the better to decide but minimum 20%

IAG
Doesn't matter to me. You guys figure it out. I have a $500/bet max bet but we don't have to worry about that for awhile...Ok. well should I put in Tron's mlb play for $80 then? $160? He posted one in archie's zone but didn't get in there...

IAG
Need some input here from Tron, Plommer, Kato and Nina.

See above. If you want to opt out, do so now before I give Reno free reign to start picking plays and amounts. Ideally, we would go again in order if you guys want to keep going...

IAG
We need Whalewager in here

"In the game of life...someone has to lead and that leader should be me. You can retain the name of the contest but I am taking control. If we are going to win this there has to be some order and conformity. You just can't go halfass at this and let a bunch of fuckin queens do whatever they want whenever they want. " WhaleWager 11/8/2008 Teddy KGB zone #5

IAG
Two bets put out.,.Kato and Tron's.... , Kato put his play out first, but deferred to Tron...so I guess for now I will put in the Yankees and if majority thinks we can put two in at a time, will do that. I will put $80 on Yankees per Reno not liking the slow and steady approach ...lol

I will hold off for an hour or so, in case any one has any different thoughts to consider before putting in the play. And again, if anyone wants to opt out at this point (a bird in the hand...) let me know and I will pay pal you asap.

I think we should keep doing one play a day like we've done from the start

:dunno:

IAG
That sounds good...if someone has an early game though, next person should be able to pick a same day/night game if the first has concluded....no two plays going simultaneously though....good plan....that will help in determining dollar amount.

Some sort of standardized system on unit/bet size would be helpful for me. Sounded like Reno had a rough idea where he wanted to go with it...let's get a firm plan and concensus as I will only be on here and there this weekend as have company arriving.

Go Yankees!

Kato...you're up for late game tonight, or tomorrow!

IAG, I agree with you.

ok leave it but in future lets try to bet at least 25%. We are not gonna get to 50k with $50 bets no matter how lucky we get ..pal

True. But we're also going to go broke much quicker betting 25% of our roll every play. You know that already, though.

Sure, but I figure this our chance to get lucky. There's no reason to baby a $300 bankroll split between 5 people. But there is a chance we can go say 8-2 or 15-5 from here have a significant bankroll and then lower our %.

On the other hand, in the future, it may be kinda fun to have a team Gamelive br going indefinitely.

Ok, I'm cool with this.

:handshake:

Iag pal, since you're not around all the time and the eligible posters aren't around all the time I suggest if you see a posted play make it. 25% of current br, if multiple plays are posted, bet em all. :up:

Actually if Reno really wants me to give his share ..or spot to you, I guess I need to do that...but I would like to think we can come up with a plan.

The problem is that I felt funny dictating how the money should go because even though I did fund it, the money belonged to the team..so I went to the team and there was no solid concensus. So now unless they can come up with a concensus, I'm going with %25 risk one play at a time until reaching $1000 and then re-evaluating...Trying to get everyone to agree has proved impossible.

Anyway....let's try to move forward. Go Toronto!

Reno if you really do want me to give Mr. M your money/spot, let me know, cuz he would be next "in line." I really don't care about the order, but only one play will be put in at a time going forward.
 
I guess the misunderstanding comes where someone(?) assumed I encouraged people to make simultaneous plays. Like I said, my only interest there was allowing people to get their bets in. I know one of kato's winners wasn't bet earlier, he missed his 2nd turn, and Plommer wasn't even aware it was his turn.
I was not trying to explain in my example anything about simultaneous bets.
I guess you got offended when I said "teaching", I was being playful mostly. But it (roulette example)illustrates something that is important to understand. You still apparently are refusing to acknowledge that a double up method gives the highest chance of reaching any given goal.
 
I guess the misunderstanding comes where someone(?) assumed I encouraged people to make simultaneous plays. Like I said, my only interest there was allowing people to get their bets in. I know one of kato's winners wasn't bet earlier, he missed his 2nd turn, and Plommer wasn't even aware it was his turn.
I was not trying to explain in my example anything about simultaneous bets.
I guess you got offended when I said "teaching", I was being playful mostly. But it (roulette example)illustrates something that is important to understand. You still apparently are refusing to acknowledge that a double up method gives the highest chance of reaching any given goal.

Good God Pal are you even reading my posts?

I know you weren't in your example trying to explain simultaneous bets. That was the problem! ..THAT is the logic I was trying to understand..not that the double up method gives the highest chance of reaching a given goal. Of course it does. It also is the highest chance of going bust the quickest. If the goal was reaching $800 I would have probably agreed with going all in. But since your stated goal was $50k, going all in until you got there seemed crazy. ..and impossible anyway since my bet limit at that book is $500.

And pretty sure I didn't miss any of Kato's bets if he was playing in turn. During the first round, there is definitely only one play at a time allowed...but I am pretty sure I got all his plays in.