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WHAT SHOULD WE DO? WHAT CAN WE DO? by Vegas Dave

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Archie
doesn't matter

its a made up stat you pulled out of your ass

a) first of all how many people are going to start and end a career as a bartender? for 97% of people (I can make up stats too) that start bartending, they will get a more stable regular hours job later on in life 97% of those that are NOT lifelong fuk ups looking to get on a talk show or tv court show, anyways

b) we'd need to know how well bartenders SAVE and invest a portion of their $

c) how does their SSI in the future look, if alot of their income comes from tips and they don't report it on taxes?

d) what kind of retirement plans and 401k type pension plans do Bartenders typically utilize?
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I appreciate your attempt to keep this thread going with contrary opinion Archie.

You gotta do better than that though for me to drink the Kool Aid.
 
The SS and retirement is a major thing. How does profit-sharing work for bartenders? I don't know one who has it.

Every bartender I know is:

a) right out of college

b) retired and using it to make extra cash

c) doing it because it looks fun but realizes its a lot of work for less than expected pay

d) a woman doing it while she can get someone to watch her kids at night for free

I've been in that business for over 25 years. You see the old guy behind the bar in a big city pouring scotch and telling stories for $75K - those are the rare exceptions. The ones who want to be like Tom Cruise in Cocktail are a dime a dozen. very few of these can retire tomorrow on just bartending. Its rare that they are getting 40 hours.
 
oh dear

http://www1.salary.com/Bartender-Salary.html

This chart describes the expected percentage of people who perform the job of Bartender in the United States that make less than that annual salary. For example the median expected annual pay for a typical Bartender in the United States is $18,637 so 50% of the people who perform the job of Bartender in the United States are expected to make less than $18,637.
Source: HR Reported data as of October 2015
 
Archie
oh dear

http://www1.salary.com/Bartender-Salary.html

This chart describes the expected percentage of people who perform the job of Bartender in the United States that make less than that annual salary. For example the median expected annual pay for a typical Bartender in the United States is $18,637 so 50% of the people who perform the job of Bartender in the United States are expected to make less than $18,637.
Source: HR Reported data as of October 2015
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That chart does NOT take tips into account.

Archie...please do better.
 
Archie
oh dear

http://www1.salary.com/Bartender-Salary.html

This chart describes the expected percentage of people who perform the job of Bartender in the United States that make less than that annual salary. For example the median expected annual pay for a typical Bartender in the United States is $18,637 so 50% of the people who perform the job of Bartender in the United States are expected to make less than $18,637.
Source: HR Reported data as of October 2015
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And the average salary of bartenders in Buffalo and Syracuse are $17,500 - the two cities that surround Seneca Falls.
 
FairWarning
The SS and retirement is a major thing. How does profit-sharing work for bartenders? I don't know one who has it.

Every bartender I know is:

a) right out of college

b) retired and using it to make extra cash

c) doing it because it looks fun but realizes its a lot of work for less than expected pay

d) a woman doing it while she can get someone to watch her kids at night for free

I've been in that business for over 25 years. You see the old guy behind the bar in a big city pouring scotch and telling stories for $75K - those are the rare exceptions. The ones who want to be like Tom Cruise in Cocktail are a dime a dozen. very few of these can retire tomorrow on just bartending. Its rare that they are getting 40 hours.
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FW, I'm not sure how old you are, but its been my business for 17 years full time. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I have been around more bartenders then anyone on here.

All 4 of your perceptions is off base. I am not saying that to be a dick. I'm saying that because what you ascertain is a stereotype and not a truth.
 
Casperwaits
FW, I'm not sure how old you are, but its been my business for 17 years full time. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I have been around more bartenders then anyone on here.

All 4 of your perceptions is off base. I am not saying that to be a dick. I'm saying that because what you ascertain is a stereotype and not a truth.
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I'm 51 and its absolutely the truth here. I'm a supplier and deal with bars. I guarantee you haven't dealt with more bartenders than me. I also work for a client who has a catering business and supplies bartenders to high-end events.
 
FairWarning
I'm 51 and its absolutely the truth here. I'm a supplier and deal with bars. I guarantee you haven't dealt with more bartenders than me. I also work for a client who has a catering business and supplies bartenders to high-end events.
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I will say I have. Your above number of what bartenders make a year is SO off, I can only conclude you aren't familiar with the business.
 
I'll break down the math for FW and Archie.

I do $600 in sales at the bar (30 patrons over a course of the day)

I get 10% of ALL server drink sales (servers tip out bartenders)

I get $6.50 an hour. After declaring tips, it comes out to $4.50 an hour.

How do the two of you come up with $18,000 a year? Really?

I can't take either of you seriously until you accept your numbers are BEYOND off.
 
Casperwaits
I will say I have. Your above number of what bartenders make a year is SO off, I can only conclude you aren't familiar with the business.
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maybe in your area bartenders are making $300/night. That is 1-2 times a week or month tops unless you are in a city. The norn here is paying $8-10/hour plus tips. I know thats low, but bartenders are a dime a dozen here. I know my market. I get $15/hour plus tips on weddings.
 
IAG
It could be argued by many that blue collar workers are "losers." You seem to be very defensive about your trade, and how that is more important from a practical standpoint than those of us who allegedly sit around discussing history and the necessity of the Oxford comma. In that vein,

Casper contributes to a healthy economy. Casper keeps the Trons of the world employed arresting those who drive under the influence after Casper overserves them. He keeps the Boners of the world employed defending those DUI Bacons. He causes DUI Bacons of the world to refinance their house thru the non DUI Bacons to pay the Boners for their defense. He keeps the IAGS employed when DUI Bacon spends all his refinance money on hookers and blow instead of paying Boner, and gets sued for not paying his fines and or attorney. Not to mention how many bars require pretzels and thus the FairWarnings of the world.

Casper should be lauded, not condemned.


Also, life is different for SNKs and DINKs....he doesn't have a Sally whose teeth need fixing.



HP...where's Andy?
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I don't appreciate being mentioned at all here. If one thing has been made clear I've been trying to maintain the peace here and this shit is the exact opposite of that.
 
Casperwaits
I'll break down the math for FW and Archie.

I do $600 in sales at the bar (30 patrons over a course of the day)

I get 10% of ALL server drink sales (servers tip out bartenders)

I get $6.50 an hour. After declaring tips, it comes out to $4.50 an hour.

How do the two of you come up with $18,000 a year? Really?

I can't take either of you seriously until you accept your numbers are BEYOND off.
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Not all bars have inventory control systems here. Waitresses tip out whatever they feel like.
 
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