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MrX
That's the max for the lower 48.
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Gotcha. I was thinking it was higher. I guess I'm thinking of families I know of that are getting $600 or more...must be the kids. Close to $600 for a family of 3 seems like more to me, than the individual number, even though I know that's ridiculous.
 
camilion15728
I'm not even reading all the other replies.

I see nothing wrong with a poor person choosing organic foods. What's wrong with spices? what just because they are poor they should have flavorful food? I don't care if it is food stamps, they have the right to enjoy all the foods we do. Just because they are poor doesn't mean they shouldn't get to enjoy the same things. Now this all depends on the specific situation, but in general, for those who truly need it, I couldn't care less what they buy with it.
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FairWarning
How do you feel about fast food, red bull, bloody mary and margarita mixes, pop, and potato chips? They are all Snap-eligible now. The whole deal should be scrapped and handled like the WIC Program.
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The margarita mix cracks me up.
 
So, some final thoughts for me on the subject...

That fact that we have a working system in place with the goal of ensuring that no one goes hungry is one of the things I can say I am proud of in this country. I think most people who have spent any time in countries without social programs would agree.

I can say with confidence that depending on charity doesn't work in most cases. That doesn't necessarily mean that it wouldn't work here. We're much more affluent than any country without social programs, and maybe that would be reflected in the amount of charity provided. And maybe it wouldn't. It's not a gamble I'd like to see taken.

And, I don't really see the point. People defraud charities just like they defraud social programs. Fraud is going to be part of the equation no matter how you try to help people.

The amount of tax dollars that go to SNAP from a taxpayer with a $50,000 taxable income is $36. I'd gladly pay ten times that amount to do my share towards making sure no one goes hungry here.
 
Oh, and I wanted to agree wholeheartedly with plommer that expending this kind of anger at the people at the bottom of the system, scraping a few ill-gotten dollars, is absurd considering the kind of pilfering going on at the top.

It's just what they want us to do.
 
MrX
So, some final thoughts for me on the subject...

That fact that we have a working system in place with the goal of ensuring that no one goes hungry is one of the things I can say I am proud of in this country. I think most people who have spent any time in countries without social programs would agree.

I can say with confidence that depending on charity doesn't work in most cases. That doesn't necessarily mean that it wouldn't work here. We're much more affluent than any country without social programs, and maybe that would be reflected in the amount of charity provided. And maybe it wouldn't. It's not a gamble I'd like to see taken.

And, I don't really see the point. People defraud charities just like they defraud social programs. Fraud is going to be part of the equation no matter how you try to help people.

The amount of tax dollars that go to SNAP from a taxpayer with a $50,000 taxable income is $36. I'd gladly pay ten times that amount to do my share towards making sure no one goes hungry here.
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Some charities like the United Way are not very effective. Others like the Salvation Army work great. I'll give to the Salvation Army all day. All we need to do is make the Snap Program more effective and make sure the ones who need it get it and boot the scammers out. Nothing pisses me off more than someone paying cash for smokes, lotto, and booze, then run a Snap card to buy pop and candy. This happens a lot in the inner city, far more than people want to believe. I see it every week.
 
FairWarning
Some charities like the United Way are not very effective. Others like the Salvation Army work great. I'll give to the Salvation Army all day. All we need to do is make the Snap Program more effective and make sure the ones who need it get it and boot the scammers out. Nothing pisses me off more than someone paying cash for smokes, lotto, and booze, then run a Snap card to buy pop and candy. This happens a lot in the inner city, far more than people want to believe. I see it every week.
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I don't think what plommer and MrX are saying is registering with you.

We're talking bottom-of-the-food-chain spending here. Calling out these people is ridiculous.
 
Matty
In the grand scheme of things, these people are penny-pinchers. They have nearly zero effect on the economy or the system.

Upper-middle-class-and-up tax loopholes are a way bigger issue.
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So you support the Obama economic plan then. When did it become bad to WORK for money? Obama can close any loophole he wants, he acts on his own anyway.

Food stamp fraud and tax breaks for the rich are two issues.
 
Of course I agree with the Canadians and Mr.X. And I'm sure I've written the same things here and sbr in the past.

But lately, the older I get maybe, I can sympathize with the point of the others. Mainly, I can see that there a lot of riff raff, classes people, and I really don't feel much love for them. :dunno: Cockroaches we all are.
 
Now tell me, why should college students get it? The Snap cards are called Bridge Cards in Mich.

http://www.valleyvanguardonline.com/?p=2262

In the state of Michigan - college student were STEALING from the truly needy -

Students, unless proving a “true need” for federal aid, are no longer eligible for food assistance.

With recently updated regulations to bridge card eligibility, college students may no longer be able to apply for the Food Assistance Program.

The change was originally one of a series of key developments in Gov. Rick Snyder’s course for Michigan, with more than 30,000 Michigan students losing their bridge cards two years ago. To be considered “student status,” a person age 18-49 had to be enrolled in at least half time in a post-secondary educational program, public or private.

The “student status” criteria now no longer allows students to be eligible for Food Assistance Program benefits.

Some students can still qualify for benefits, but must meet new requirements.

Eligibility now requires that the student either be working or caring for young children.

Working students, according to the Department of Human Services, must work at least 20 hours a week or earn weekly wages of at least $145. This is estimated from a minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
 
Am I missing something? You just posted an example of the government fixing a problem in the system, right? What argument are you trying to make with this?

I'm pretty sure that everyone here agrees that fraudulent use of foodstamps is bad.

The problem some of us are having is the leap from "some people abuse foodstamps" to "foodstamps are a bad program." And, some of us are curious why so much emotion about this, and very little emotion about the behavior at the other end of the food chain.
 
MrX
Am I missing something? You just posted an example of the government fixing a problem in the system, right? What argument are you trying to make with this?

I'm pretty sure that everyone here agrees that fraudulent use of foodstamps is bad.

The problem some of us are having is the leap from "some people abuse foodstamps" to "foodstamps are a bad program." And, some of us are curious why so much emotion about this, and very little emotion about the behavior at the other end of the food chain.
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It is a good program thats broken. There is a lot of emotion in the middle class over it because its OUR money thats being abused (remember the rich get the tax breaks?). As a person who is in sales, I have no problem with people making their own breaks and bettering themselves. People shouldn't target the upper middle class, they should go after the 0.01% as they influence government policy also.
 
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