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Vegas Dave
So the "crybabies" and "easily played" are powerful enough to pressure those in power to fold to their will? Who's playing who?
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seems to work something like this: Media pushes a story, people start panicking, buying up stuff. Media reports on people buying up stuff, and intensifies coverage of deadly virus. Brings on around the clock coverage, everybody feels something is happening and something must be done. Public opinion and the crybabies starts putting pressure on businesses and politicians, that doing nothing is dangerous and irresponsible. Politicians, who are rarely more than public relations actors are forced to act. Nobody wants to be seen as doing nothing. Since politicians don't have any capacity for creativity, they start with the restrictive measures. Cases keep going up, media keeps hyping the mass hysteria. Calls for something more to be done. Unable to come up with anything else, more restrictive measures every day. ..and so forth
That's why I say the people are burying themselves (maybe unwittingly). But the system that creates the conditions for such burial, including the way our media and politicians work is of course, set up by the powerful. They're nothing, if not skilled at setting public opinion(through media), and using it to further goals.
 
reno cool
I looked up in the US 7400 people die a day. 2.8 million a year
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reason this is particularly important, because I'm curious how they attribute deaths to c19. If 50% of the population gets c19 obviously there would be many deaths of people who test positive, who would have died anyway. Now which of those cases are being attributed to the virus?
 
reno cool
reason this is particularly important, because I'm curious how they attribute deaths to c19. If 50% of the population gets c19 obviously there would be many deaths of people who test positive, who would have died anyway. Now which of those cases are being attributed to the virus?
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When its all said and done in 18-24 months I'd like to see if they are able to sort through and give detailed accts, or estimates, or even just projections of how many a) healthy bodied people died b) how many healthy bodied people under age brackets died. c) how many died in various age brackets with just one high risk factor such as High blood pressure or Diabetes (Our numbers in US are huge in those, but people for the most part can control it with meds and live for decades) d) how many people died with a BMI over 30 (without diabetes or high blood pressure)

How many estimated from other illnessed or accidents that otherwise would have survived but succumbed due to compromised health system

How many committed suicide from the loss of multiple friends/family in short time
how many committed suicide from covid19 shut down loss of jobs/$
how many committed suicide from Debt from Covid19 treatment bills

How many nurses, doctors, first responders died from covid19
How many of the above died from suicide, over or above the typical rate

I think I read reports of a few nurse suicides in NY already. the PTSD will be very real for people that are generally more geared towards being bigger hearted.


of course we'll never get accurate real numbers on things like this. But things to consider
 
Blitty
My take from all of Reno’s posts:

There is a 100% chance of people dying at some point. And if cv19 doesn’t kill you you will die from something else.


‘Dying from virus is better than dying from bear’.
- Old Belarusan Proverb
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The sad thing is that the good people who are devastated by shutdowns will end up broke, ill, under the bridge, dead, or in jail.
while mostly the yahoos :rolleyess: will survive to built a society depicted in Idiocracy :grin:
 
Tron
This graph projects 81,114 COVID-19 deaths by August 3rd, 2020 (on the assumption social distancing continues).

So a little over twice as many deaths as the seasonal flu (which social distancing is rarely needed for).

covid19.healthdata.org

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.
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Interesting chart! Looks like by June 1st relatively no deaths beyond that!
 
I saw that Brix said the earlier projections of 500k dead in England are looking more like 20k. That would mean the 2million in US would be proportionally 80k as that chart shows. Btw I would think that social distancing would have an effect on the flu
 
Archie
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When its all said and done in 18-24 months I'd like to see if they are able to sort through and give detailed accts, or estimates, or even just projections of how many a) healthy bodied people died b) how many healthy bodied people under age brackets died. c) how many died in various age brackets with just one high risk factor such as High blood pressure or Diabetes (Our numbers in US are huge in those, but people for the most part can control it with meds and live for decades) d) how many people died with a BMI over 30 (without diabetes or high blood pressure)

How many estimated from other illnessed or accidents that otherwise would have survived but succumbed due to compromised health system

How many committed suicide from the loss of multiple friends/family in short time
how many committed suicide from covid19 shut down loss of jobs/$
how many committed suicide from Debt from Covid19 treatment bills

How many nurses, doctors, first responders died from covid19
How many of the above died from suicide, over or above the typical rate

I think I read reports of a few nurse suicides in NY already. the PTSD will be very real for people that are generally more geared towards being bigger hearted.


of course we'll never get accurate real numbers on things like this. But things to consider
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It is an interesting thing. I suppose the death rate overall could even go down. Less auto accidents, work related accidents, flu spread etc. ..but probably not.
I would think that to count correctly, you should take the number of dead with respiratory, heart (whatever problems c19 can exasperates) and only attribute to the virus the deaths which exceed the average. I'm guessing currently they're likely attributing almost all deaths of infected patients to the virus, which is making the number look bigger
 
reno cool
It is an interesting thing. I suppose the death rate overall could even go down. Less auto accidents, work related accidents, flu spread etc. ..but probably not.
I would think that to count correctly, you should take the number of dead with respiratory, heart (whatever problems c19 can exasperates) and only attribute to the virus the deaths which exceed the average. I'm guessing currently they're likely attributing almost all deaths of infected patients to the virus, which is making the number look bigger
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rural and small towns will have a ton of hospitals close. they were already closing very fast, and projected to closer faster even before all ths.

many will die from lack of access to health care for sure for many many years.

In the short term medical access will go near zero for many acute and chronic conditions.

I had an MRI scheduled for April to determine if I need a heart valve replacement due to a congenital defect that was discovered last year.

its been postponed indefinately. Hopefully my Aortic Anneurysm has not grown and I don't need surgery for a mechanical valve without knowing. Its a very real possiblity.
 
Archie
rural and small towns will have a ton of hospitals close. they were already closing very fast, and projected to closer faster even before all ths.

many will die from lack of access to health care for sure for many many years.

In the short term medical access will go near zero for many acute and chronic conditions.

I had an MRI scheduled for April to determine if I need a heart valve replacement due to a congenital defect that was discovered last year.

its been postponed indefinately. Hopefully my Aortic Anneurysm has not grown and I don't need surgery for a mechanical valve without knowing. Its a very real possiblity.
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jesus pal. I’m so sorry. I can’t imagine the anxiety this shit is giving you.
 
Its not so bad.

Its honestly made me soooooo much more healthy in every way. If I didn't know about it, I couldn't monitor it with a scan every year and know when I'd need surgery. Its goes undiagnosed in many people. If I didn't know my Aorta would just keep growing until one day it burst, and that is pretty much instant death. So i'm one of the lucky ones that gets to know. I just haven't had my second scan to know how much it is growing in a year's time after last year's baseline. good chance I'm one of the ones with minimal or no growth.

Last summer and fall I was setting post college road face PR's left and right so I feel good about my diet and exercise changes.

Lots of people go until their 60s or 70s before needing a valve replacement some never need it.

once you get it, its fine for 10-15 years.

Fred Hoiberg the baskeball player/coach had one done in his 30's and he's doing great health wise, not so much coaching wise... (we have same condition)
 
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