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My old man told me stories of how when he first arrived in Toronto as a teenager he and his buddies would brawl when called wops.

It was worse than calling a black person a nigger.

Eye talian never bothered him.


I've heard American hunters call Quebec "Cue Beck"
 
Casual conversation this afternoon with my mom about my uncle that just died and going through pictures and stuff. She started reminiscing and going over dates for things. At one point she mentioned her wedding date and it caught my attention. I started adding up the months and turns out I wasn't illegitimate. Not sure why but I just always assumed I was but nope. I might be a bastard but I'm a legitimate one.
 
Wal the world already has a fat bastard, pal.


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Interpreting what Jenny said, saying eye-talian is similar to someone saying Nigerian for a black person not from Nigeria, thinking they are being clever by not saying but obviously meaning nigger. Weaselly racism.

It's like Archie Bunker - EYE-talian - with extra emphasis and possibly an eyeroll on that first syllable.

Now I hasten to say at this point that my dad would have not the slightest intention in that direction. He is just good-naturedly clueless as he has been with a few other things I can remember over the years. It's just something he picked up over his 80+ years. Oh well.



Thing is though, by the proper rules of pronunciation, it should be eye-talian. You got vowel-consonent-vowel like that, the first vowel should be long. Like, I dunno, Iditarod or the Ibar River or the name Ida. It's always "eye". The other way has obviously come into common usage but I would argue it is wrong.

But whatever - it is what it is.


I'm glad we had this talk.
 
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Interpreting what Jenny said, saying eye-talian is similar to someone saying Nigerian for a black person not from Nigeria, thinking they are being clever by not saying but obviously meaning nigger. Weaselly racism.

It's like Archie Bunker - EYE-talian - with extra emphasis and possibly an eyeroll on that first syllable.

Now I hasten to say at this point that my dad would have not the slightest intention in that direction. He is just good-naturedly clueless as he has been with a few other things I can remember over the years. It's just something he picked up over his 80+ years. Oh well.



Thing is though, by the proper rules of pronunciation, it should be eye-talian. You got vowel-consonent-vowel like that, the first vowel should be long. Like, I dunno, Iditarod or the Ibar River or the name Ida. It's always "eye". The other way has obviously come into common usage but I would argue it is wrong.

But whatever - it is what it is.


I'm glad we had this talk.
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If you call an eskimo an Eeeeskimo, is that offensive to eye-gloos?
 
Speaking of the good-natured cluelessness of my dad, I am recalling a time.

Background: I think everyone here knows I am a recovering addict/alcoholic. It was a long and colorful road which certainly affected my parents many times. There were many incidents through the teens, and I was living at their house the first time I went into treatment. Over time, I transformed from being a major mess who always had a drink on the go, to someone who never touched a drop of alcohol at family gatherings and who went to recovery meetings and blah, blah, blah.

Okay. Around the second Christmas I was sober, my dad offers me a beer.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it common knowledge that alcoholics cannot safely touch a drop? I think so. My mom gasped. Everyone kinda gasped. But not my dad. Thing is, there was nothing malevolent in his offer. He was not looking upon that beer as what it was: a sure first step towards disaster and maybe death.

He was just clueless. As far as he knew I had been through treatment but that was awhile ago so maybe I would like a tasty beer now. In his mind, he was being a good host.


He's a nice guy, my dad. He maybe has some gaps in his overall game, but helluva nice guy.
 
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