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Mudcat
I still think if Americans are going to focus on one random thing and give it immensely exaggerated importance, they should switch from guns to pliers.

Perhaps poisons. But pliers is better.
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How comfortable would you be carrying.. let's say $100k... in Las Vegas without the ability to protect yourself?

Sorry. Pliers aren't going to do much good if someone tries to hold you up.
 
MonkeyF0cker
How comfortable would you be carrying.. let's say $100k... in Las Vegas without the ability to protect yourself?

Sorry. Pliers aren't going to do much good if someone tries to hold you up.
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I don't think he takes issue with this.

I believe he is speaking in general about the extreme fascination so many Americans have with guns.
It's true, many (but of course not all) Americans are infatuated with weapons.

Canadians have guns too, but don't use them for personal protection from other Canadians.

The main purpose of guns in Canada? To hunt wild animals.

PS: I use the term "gun" when I could easily use shotgun/rifle etc.

PPS: Daft, it's not -14 degrees 8 months of the year in the most inhabited places in Canada, pal.
You may be thinking of the Arctic.
 
FairWarning
Because an accident with a gun could kill someone. A knife accident, probably not. Inthehole never did answer my question about the need for people to own body armor- piercing ammo. Doesn't sound like self-defense.
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Both can kill someone. If you're an idiot, you wave a gun around and pull the trigger. If you're an idiot, you run with an unsheathed knife in your hands. Either way, you're an idiot. It's just strange how one is so feared compared to the other.

How many people own armor piercing ammo? Handgun armor piercing ammo is already illegal to buy, sell, and import, BTW. Rifle rounds, by default, are all armor piercing (with the exception of level-IV chest plates). Do you think it would perhaps be useful against people like the guy that shot up the theater though?
 
betplom
I don't think he takes issue with this.

I believe he is speaking in general about the extreme fascination so many Americans have with guns.
It's true, many (but of course not all) Americans are infatuated with weapons.

Canadians have guns too, but don't use them for personal protection from other Canadians.

The main purpose of guns in Canada? To hunt wild animals.

PS: I use the term "gun" when I could easily use shotgun/rifle etc.

PPS: Daft, it's not -14 degrees 8 months of the year in the most inhabited places in Canada, pal.
You may be thinking of the Arctic.
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I think that's exactly what he's taking issue with - the ability for people to protect themselves rather than relying on law enforcement to arrive after the fact.

If that money is stolen from me, what do you think the odds are that it's recovered and returned to me?
 
MonkeyF0cker
I think that's exactly what he's taking issue with - the ability for people to protect themselves rather than relying on law enforcement to arrive after the fact.

If that money is stolen from me, what do you think the odds are that it's recovered and returned to me?
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I believe you are mistaken, pal.

I've read his quote and don't see him saying what you think he's saying.

Mudcat
I still think if Americans are going to focus on one random thing and give it immensely exaggerated importance, they should switch from guns to pliers.

Perhaps poisons. But pliers is better.
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betplom
I believe you are mistaken, pal.

I've read his quote and don't see him saying what you think he's saying.
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That is at least the third comment that he has made on the American gun debate.

Mudcat
I have a money-making idea.

For about the 4th time in the last couple months I have heard an American making the case that the way to reduce gun death/injury is MORE guns not less. Like when that dude shot up the movie theater, things wouldn't have been so bad if a lot more average Americans there had been armed. The idea being that they all would have pulled their guns and eliminated the threat before all the damage could be done.

When I hear that kind of talk it makes me wonder what it is like in their heads and I can only deduce they view average Americans as some kind of comic book superheros. They are coordinated, focused. Nothing is misinterpreted. No one has bad judgement or is a bad shot. They are in telepathic contact with each other and they know who are the proper Americans and who most certainly are NOT.

Which brings me to my money-making idea. Someone should create and market AVERAGE AMERICANS comic books. Each edition is a new tale of average Americans coming together in amazing and heroic ways. The stories could basically be ripped from the day's headlines - except with happy perfect endings - because of the exploits of Average Americans. I can picture it.

People would buy that.



I'm kind of joking but I'm kind of not.
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Mudcat
AAO thinks like a 13 year-old. It's cute.



Listen, if you want to say, "I love guns. Guns are really important to me. The lax state of gun laws in the States obviously leads directly to a lot of unnecessary death and injury but guns are so important that it's worth it." - then that's fine. I mean, it's not fine - it's stupid - but there are no particular logic glitches. It is not dishonest.

But if you want to start making arguments about how the USA's lax gun laws aren't related to the astronomically high rates of gun activity compared to the rest of the developed world - then you are on tilt. You are pathologically arranging flawed arguments to get to the conclusion you want to reach. You have gone goofy in the head.



And yeah, if you are thinking that more guns in the hands of average Americans would somehow bring dangerous situations more under control, you are 13.
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MonkeyF0cker
I think that's exactly what he's taking issue with - the ability for people to protect themselves rather than relying on law enforcement to arrive after the fact.

If that money is stolen from me, what do you think the odds are that it's recovered and returned to me?
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What if you are in a movie theater and you open fire on a shooter and the police run in and shoot you thinking you are the 2nd shooter?
 
MonkeyF0cker
That is at least the third comment that he has made on the American gun debate.
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I believe what Mudcat is saying about the "American gun debate" is that it's over the top - you guys (Americans) spend waaaay too much energy on guns, weapons and the debates/bickering that comes with it.

He is saying the gun culture in the USA is predominant.

Kind of like the healthcare debate, only slightly more dangerous.

Most Canadians don't see the need for such enthusiasm when it comes to weapons.
 
betplom
I believe what Mudcat is saying about the "American gun debate" is that it's over the top - you guys (Americans) spend waaaay too much energy on guns, weapons and the debates/bickering that comes with it.

Kind of like the healthcare debate, only slightly more dangerous.
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I don't see that at all. I see someone making opinionated statements about our views on gun laws.

FAR more people will die as a result of poor health care than concealed carry permits in the United States this year. That's a fact.
 
MonkeyF0cker
I don't see that at all. I see someone making opinionated statements about our views on gun laws.

More people will die as a result of poor health care than concealed carry permits in the United States this year. That's a fact.
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I see someone making opinionated statements about how people carry on about the gun culture down there.
He may have referenced the gun laws in a previous post but I still believe he is just pointing out how all encompassing the issue is in the USA.

PS: I was using the health care issue as a comparison to the gun debate, not talking about poor health care vs carry permits.
 
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