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fiveteamer
So I guess Boise State finishes 1 or 2 now finally. No excuses to keep them out of the top 2 if they run the table
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How do you figure? If Ohio State and Alabama both run the table, just to name a few, they are both more deserving of the 1 and 2 spots considering their tougher schedules.

If college football ends up like last year again with a bunch of undefeateds, Boise will be on the outside looking in once again.
 
I am so sick of hearing how great Boise State is. I know they have had some nice wins, but a team like Alabama or Ohio State will murder them. I really hope that ONE WIN doesn't allow them to vie for a BCS championship, no matter how many points they beat New Mexico State or Toledo by.
 
Vegas Dave
How do you figure? If Ohio State and Alabama both run the table, just to name a few, they are both more deserving of the 1 and 2 spots considering their tougher schedules.

If college football ends up like last year again with a bunch of undefeateds, Boise will be on the outside looking in once again.
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Obviously, but Alabama and Ohio State will not run the table. Maybe one, but not both.
 
Cougar Bait
I am so sick of hearing how great Boise State is. I know they have had some nice wins, but a team like Alabama or Ohio State will murder them. I really hope that ONE WIN doesn't allow them to vie for a BCS championship, no matter how many points they beat New Mexico State or Toledo by.
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They are great, though. I'm annoyed with hearing the talking heads blather on about "the debate" all season too, but talent-wise they really are a Top 5 team that can compete against anyone.
 
Vegas Dave
They are great, though. I'm annoyed with hearing the talking heads blather on about "the debate" all season too, but talent-wise they really are a Top 5 team that can compete against anyone.
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Then they should play more than 1 tough game a year. Have you seen this pathetic schedule? One tough road win does not equal BCS championship IMO.
 
Cougar Bait
Then they should play more than 1 tough game a year. Have you seen this pathetic schedule? One tough road win does not equal BCS championship IMO.
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I know, and it is definitely a very fair debate. Their conference is a joke, and that's why they are leaving it. Unfortunately for them, BYU and Utah left the Mountain West, so now that conference lost a lot of its teeth, too.

But quite simply, Boise State can't do anything about their conference schedule while they are in this conference. All they can control, to some degree, is their out of conference schedule. But who wants to play Boise State? There's not much incentive for teams to schedule Boise; if they lose to Boise, their season is fucked, if they beat them, everyone will just say "big deal, you beat a team in a useless conference". So it isn't like the USCs and Alabamas of the world are lining up to play this team.

So they do what they can and schedule tough games like Oregon (winning both at Oregon and home against Oregon), and Va Tech essentially on the road. They are doing what they can.

I AGREE with you, it's unfair that a team that only has to get up for a couple of games belongs in there over a one (or even sometimes two) loss team that has to play tough teams week in and week out. But the point remains that Boise State is a really excellent football team and program.
 
I think it is great what they are able to do. Think of the program Alabama is able to put together. They SHOULD be where they are, think of how much they pay their players. Jesus.

Kinda hard to convince 17 year old kids to go to Boise and play on blue astro turf. They pretty much always show up in Bowl games, anyhow.

Go Broncos.
 
I wrote about this last year when I was arguing both sides of the should Oregon be ranked ahead of Boise State even though Boise State beat them.

http://www.allpac10.com/arguing-bot...oncos-who-deserves-to-be-higher-in-the-polls/

"Why do we even bother to show up on Saturdays anymore?

No matter what we do, it’s never good enough for anyone. Do you think we are happy that the competition around us in this conference never gets any better? When June Jones had Hawaii playing at an elite level, at least there was one WAC game a year that the nation had some interest in. Now it’s just us and a bunch of Play-Doh.

The system is broken, and we don’t just mean that in the clichd way that you’ve grown accustomed to hearing it, that non-BCS teams have no chance at all. That’s true too, but the other issue is that there is so much more of an emphasis on losses than wins when you are a big BCS school.

Just look at the top two teams right now; Florida and Texas. Other than Alabama, no other team controls their own destiny like these two do; win out, and they are heading to the national championship game. Look at their out-of-conference schedules!

Florida: Charleston Southern, Troy, Florida International, Florida State
Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, UCF

Wow, way to put yourself out there guys! Florida would probably have preferred to schedule another cupcake instead of FSU if not for the obligation to play them or Miami.

The point is simply this; if you are a nationally loved team that is ranked high in the preseason polls, there is no reason to challenge yourself out-of-conference. It’s better to go undefeated with an easy schedule than to give yourselves more mines to navigate through.

Do you know how many of these big schools we’ve called and tried to schedule games with? Unlike the Florida’s and Texas’s of the world, we realize that running the table won’t be enough, and we need to do the best we can with our out-of-conference games.

But in a system like this one that punishes you so harshly for losses, why would any team ranked in the top 5-10 preseason schedule us? The risk far outweighs the reward. We are the winningest team of the decade. We scare big teams. They laugh us and our record off as “just because of our weak conference”, yet they refuse to prove it on the football field."
 
Vegas Dave
I wrote about this last year when I was arguing both sides of the should Oregon be ranked ahead of Boise State even though Boise State beat them.
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The thing is, if they "fixed" the whole thing then people will stop talking about college football nearly as much. I mean, what would ESPN do for material when there aren't x15 MLB games pretty much every day?
 
Polaroid
The thing is, if they "fixed" the whole thing then people will stop talking about college football nearly as much. I mean, what would ESPN do for material when there aren't x15 MLB games pretty much every day?
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I was saying to my buddy that ESPN must be doing CARTWHEELS. They will fill countless hours of broadcast time with the same rehashed Boise State debate. All I'm saying is, I don't get why people are hating on the school; all they've done is built up a great program and dominate. They didn't create the BCS system without a playoff, and they didn't hire a bunch of analysts at ESPN to repeat the same shit over and over and over again.
 
2004 was the opposite argument though. Auburn ended up ranked 3rd due to fluff games in their non-conference schedule. Don't ever tell one of them I said this but they should have played USC instead of Oklahoma. With this current system, teams get screwed.
 
Vegas Dave
I was saying to my buddy that ESPN must be doing CARTWHEELS
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Sure thing. It's like MLB and soccer being really against any form of technological advances to make the game fairer (in terms of calls) with the old "controversy is part of the sport" line. Boise State is just this year's subject (well after the 2008 13-0 season they are "this year's subject" for 2+ years now after Hawaii got the "title" in 2007). Next year there will probably be a new one. Same crap, different year. Wouldn't surprise me at all if ESPN invested in the WAC to fill up X hours of annual airtime.
 
Vegas Dave
I was saying to my buddy that ESPN must be doing CARTWHEELS. They will fill countless hours of broadcast time with the same rehashed Boise State debate. All I'm saying is, I don't get why people are hating on the school; all they've done is built up a great program and dominate. They didn't create the BCS system without a playoff, and they didn't hire a bunch of analysts at ESPN to repeat the same shit over and over and over again.
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Other than their win last night...they haven't exactly been stellar in their big games since the Oklahoma game a few years back. As much as I think it is a great story, I do think they are still living off that win a bit. Do I think this a great team? Yup. Do I think they will have a shot at the national title? probably. Do I think they deserve it? Probably not. And the dagger...do i think there should be a playoff? NOPE. I love that the BCS makes debates just as this...it makes this game much more relevant than it would have ever been with a playoff. It makes every week's games more important and makes us as football fans pay attention a lot more.
 
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