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Great. But not the greatest.
Pound for pound the greatest.
Prove otherwise.
Great. But not the greatest.
Williams was horrible, especially in the early years by many accounts I've read. I don't think many here witnessed either, so who knows.
and yet even dismissing defense, where a ballplayer "plays" 95% of his "game".
and dismissing the differences between center field and left field in general, let alone in fenway vs polo grounds/candlestick.....
there is EVEN MORE to being a ballplayer than hitting and defense.
I don't weigh all the aspects of a ball player's package equally.
And Gay.I wouldn't weigh any aspects of a ballplayer's package.
That's just gross.
Should be no need to point it out. You're just wrong.
Williams lost three of his prime years serving in WWII.
1941 - .406 with 37 home runs
1942 - .356 with 36 home runs
1943-1945 enlisted.
Comes back in 1946 and hits .342 with 38 home runs.
I've been to busy to get back to this thread but are we really going to use batting average to bolster our picks for the greatest ever?
If anyone was better than Mays, it's Bonds.
Yeah yeah yeah steroidslol but he played in the steroid era.
Take a look at Bonds' career OPS and he was never a defensive liability and was a great base runner
From what little I've seen in person and what I've heard, Willie probably is bitter. But I don't think it's because of Jim Crow days.
My guess is that it has to do with having been paid little compared to players today, even though they have nowhere near his ability.
He also lost a couple of prime years to the Army and played in a horrible ballpark--Candlestick--with the wind almost always blowing in from left. He could have easily hit another 100 home runs if it were not for those things
I also suspect that as respected and loved as he is, he doesn't believe his greatness is fully recognized. San Francisco considered him a New York player and never fully embraced him when he was an active player. And toward the end of Mays' career, Joe DiMaggio was voted the greatest living player by baseball writers.
I've been to busy to get back to this thread but are we really going to use batting average to bolster our picks for the greatest ever?
If anyone was better than Mays, it's Bonds.
Yeah yeah yeah steroidslol but he played in the steroid era.
Take a look at Bonds' career OPS and he was never a defensive liability and was a great base runner
You're correct, the standard is WAR. According to Baseball Reference, Ruth still is 1st, Bonds 2nd, Mays 3rd. Ill post more with links when I get home.