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wal66
Equally I made a point of saying I give you respect for pointing out the cultrual differences in one of the two follow-up post after the intial one.

I'm man enough to admit when I am outmatched from an educational standpoint. I always make my arguments opinion based from life experiences and in this situation I just don't have any. I understand that various cultures have different beliefs about what children should be exposed to but my mind just can't comprehend not just allowing but actually encouraging even demonstrating this type of thing. I can't wrap my head around how it is acceptable to put a gun in a childs hands or strap a bomb on a childs back. I'll never be able to understand how it is ok culturally to teach a child to hate.

Yes the cultures are different. The mentalities are far reaching and much more relaxed than that of which I am accustomed to and I would love to debate the merits but I doubt I would ever be able to make my argument satisfy your intelligence.
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I think you should examine this thing you do here. You do it a lot. Rather than putting in a decent effort, you bail out, claiming a lack of intelligence.

I find it very hard to believe that you lack the intelligence to figure out what MF was saying in the latest Tomato thread, and I don't believe for a second believe that you're not smart enough to debate your point on the issues in this thread.

I don't know why you do this thing. Maybe you like to play up this humility thing to make yourself look agreeable and make others look arrogant. Maybe you're afraid to put in your best effort, for fear that you'll come up short and learn something painful about yourself.

Whatever the reason, I think it's a bad thing. You bring up some interesting topics, only to shut down the moment someone makes it challenging for you. I don't think it's good for you, and I know it's really annoying from the other end.
 
wal66
Now I guess we could argue sexual freedom isn't putting a child at risk but we'll probably never come to an agreement on that either.
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I would argue that the sexual repression in our culture puts children at risk.

We, as a culture, generally freak the hell out when children show any signs of sexuality, and then we're surprised when the victims of sexual abuse are too ashamed to tell their parents or an authority figure. We take the most natural drive human beings possess and shame kids for having curiosities about it and for acting on those curiosities. At the same time, we bombard them with sexualized role-models and advertising at every turn. It's a wonder anyone figures out good sex before the age of 40 in this country.
 
What the fuck do you want?

What is there to debate about the cultural differences? They exist, we aren't gonna agree they are good or bad due to our own culture.

I'm agreeable if someone makes me see their point of view or at least point out where I have made a mistake. As for making others look arogant, I don't know about others but you are arogant. As for shutting down when someone makes it challenging for me that very well may be true. If the subject gets deeper than I am able to contribute to then yes, I bow out. Why would I want to continue with something only to make myself look dumb? I mean a joke is a joke but when I am ignorant to something there is no need to further the humiliation publicly.
 
MrX
I would argue that the sexual repression in our culture puts children at risk.

We, as a culture, generally freak the hell out when children show any signs of sexuality, and then we're surprised when the victims of sexual abuse are too ashamed to tell their parents or an authority figure. We take the most natural drive human beings possess and shame kids for having curiosities about it and for acting on those curiosities. At the same time, we bombard them with sexualized role-models and advertising at every turn. It's a wonder anyone figures out good sex before the age of 40 in this country.
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I don't know about repression, I agree that we should be open and honest with our children and make every effort to establish a trust that they can come to us with anything and feel comfortable that we are gonna be patient and understanding with them.

I don't however think it's cool to take a 6 year old pile makeup on her and dress her like some sex symbol all fo the glory of some padgeant, I don't think it's cool to allow you daughter to go off to school looking like the latest sexy MTV sex symbol. Obviously it's a very fine line. You don't want to create a self-esteem issue, you don't want your child to feel like they are abnormal or not cool like the other kids.

What's the alternative though? You allow that type of behavior and EVEN if you have done everything possible to promote open honesty and educated them about sex they are still put into that situation. Due to the way they are dressed or their broad attitude about how sex can be fun, safe and so enjoyable the give off that vibe and start far too soon.

I don't know the right answer. I'm not a parent and if I were a parent I would never be able to handle being the father of a girl. I would do it all wrong. I would be far too protective of her and probably cause her serious damage. If I had a son at least I would explain to him to always wear protections, treat the girl with respect and don't brag about it to the boys. I realize how wrong that is and what a double standard it is but it's the truth.
 
wal66
What is there to debate about the cultural differences? They exist, we aren't gonna agree they are good or bad due to our own culture.
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Man. I think there is so much to debate here. I don't know why you're so sure that we couldn't have some insights from the discussion. It wasn't too long ago that I would have jumped on the bandwagon in this thread. It's not so impossible for one's opinions to change.

wal66
As for making others look arogant, I don't know about others but you are arogant.
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I don't like coming off as arrogant. It's weird, because I try to be completely real and myself in this forum, and in person I don't think I come off as arrogant. But I can see that I sometimes do when I'm writing. I just started 3 or 4 times to psychoanalyze myself for an answer, but I can't come up with it. So, let me just say, I don't want to be arrogant, and I'm sorry if that's what's coming across.

wal66
If the subject gets deeper than I am able to contribute to then yes, I bow out. Why would I want to continue with something only to make myself look dumb? I mean a joke is a joke but when I am ignorant to something there is no need to further the humiliation publicly.
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Well, I still think this is a cop-out, but what can I do? Anyone trying to publicly humiliate someone who is failing to understand something despite a solid effort is actually humiliating themselves, in my opinion.
 
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P-Roid, I'm not a complete dolt but I know when someone is better versed or more educated than I am. As for MrX and the arogant thing well that was me puffing up like a blowfish cause my button got pushed even though I had earlier said I could handle it. Childish? Absolutely!
 
wally, mrx intimidates me, once i was playing poker sitting between reno and him and i was just throwing all my cards away. i leaned over to him and asked "are you a poster?" he turned his head and stared at me and replied "im mrx", very intimidating i was nervous and heart was pounding much. dude looks just like james bond.

wally i would wave the white flag
 
No cats in this thread, fiveteamer. Different thread.

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