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MrX
This might be an unpopular opinion, but without knowing the societal context of that video, I can't condemn it that strongly. I don't think it's inherently unnatural for kids to be aware of sex and to play around at it like you see in that video. If this was filmed in the U.S., yes, it would be disturbing, because it's so far outside our social norms that any adults engaging in that kind of behavior here would almost certainly have ulterior motives.

I think most of us played doctor or had 'truth or dare' games that, er, got interesting, only we were made to believe that what we were doing was wrong and we had to be afraid of getting caught. I don't think that, as a society, we're in the best position to judge others for how and when they teach their kids about sexuality. We tend to fuck up our kids big-time in that department.
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So if you were to be visiting Tijuana or something of the sort and you had that 9 year old niece with you and had dropped her off at a daycare while the adults did something the children could participate in and upon returning you witnessed one of the instructors doing this to your niece, you would accept it as just the way things are there?

I agree we as Americans are far more conservative and even repressed when it comes to sex and if that video is an example of being less repressed then I’ll remain as such.

I do understand what you are saying about different cultures and we can’t expect all cultures to agree with our ideologies but I also can’t for a second believe that if that were your niece you wouldn’t be incensed.
 
Now the children looked happy and healthy and it is far better than seeing children that are suffering from disease and starving or abused. I also agree that in some cultures children only slightly older than these kids appear to are carrying guns and or bombs, we’ve seen the Taiwan or whatever kid who at 2 years old is already being allowed and even encouraged to smoke like a chimney. I agree there are worse situations various cultures expose their children too but I still don’t see how it’s beneficial to the child.
 
I do honestly get by what you meant by pointing out the cultural thing MrX and I'm not condeming you for pointing that fact out. You certainly took a bold approach by even looking at it from a different perspective and I truly respect you from that point.
 
wal66
So if you were to be visiting Tijuana or something of the sort and you had that 9 year old niece with you and had dropped her off at a daycare while the adults did something the children could participate in and upon returning you witnessed one of the instructors doing this to your niece, you would accept it as just the way things are there?
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Well, this is a nearly pointless question, since I would never condone dropping off a young child with strangers in an unfamiliar culture. But, I'll entertain it for the sake of discussion.

If I were somehow dumb enough find myself in the situation you describe, I would find out if that kind of behavior is normal around there. If it wasn't, I'd assume that the adults in charge were sickos and, yes, I'd be incensed. If it turned out to be a common thing, I'd smack myself in the head for not finding these things out first. I'd talk to my niece and make sure she wasn't freaked out. I'd answer any questions she had. I'd laugh about it and tell the story for years as an amusing cautionary tale.
 
MrX, I've been talked down to before so I can handle it.

I asked the questioned I asked because I had to make it personal for you. I fully realize how unrealistic it would be to visit anyplace and just randomly drop kids off at some daycare.
 
wal66
MrX, I've been talked down to before so I can handle it.

I asked the questioned I asked because I had to make it personal for you. I fully realize how unrealistic it would be to visit anyplace and just randomly drop kids off at some daycare.
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I went out of my way in the first post to say that the behavior in that video would be completely inappropriate in our culture. You then proceeded to create an argument that involved a little girl from our culture being placed in the same situation. It's a straw man argument, and you should expect to be talked down to when you do it.

I want to have this discussion. I think it's interesting. But I want you to put a little better effort in to it.
 
Equally I made a point of saying I give you respect for pointing out the cultrual differences in one of the two follow-up post after the intial one.

I'm man enough to admit when I am outmatched from an educational standpoint. I always make my arguments opinion based from life experiences and in this situation I just don't have any. I understand that various cultures have different beliefs about what children should be exposed to but my mind just can't comprehend not just allowing but actually encouraging even demonstrating this type of thing. I can't wrap my head around how it is acceptable to put a gun in a childs hands or strap a bomb on a childs back. I'll never be able to understand how it is ok culturally to teach a child to hate.

Yes the cultures are different. The mentalities are far reaching and much more relaxed than that of which I am accustomed to and I would love to debate the merits but I doubt I would ever be able to make my argument satisfy your intelligence.
 
wal66
Equally I made a point of saying I give you respect for pointing out the cultrual differences in one of the two follow-up post after the intial one.

I'm man enough to admit when I am outmatched from an educational standpoint. I always make my arguments opinion based from life experiences and in this situation I just don't have any. I understand that various cultures have different beliefs about what children should be exposed to but my mind just can't comprehend not just allowing but actually encouraging even demonstrating this type of thing. I can't wrap my head around how it is acceptable to put a gun in a childs hands or strap a bomb on a childs back. I'll never be able to understand how it is ok culturally to teach a child to hate.

Yes the cultures are different. The mentalities are far reaching and much more relaxed than that of which I am accustomed to and I would love to debate the merits but I doubt I would ever be able to make my argument satisfy your intelligence.
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how traumatized are these kids really? Not same as guns or bombs.

The thing that's disturbing about it, is that the only people who would do this in our culture are wackos. And you wouldn't want your children around wackos. I like how Mr.X makes that distinction. But, if we had a culture where kids and people in general were more relaxed about sexuality it would probably be a healthier culture.
 
Reno, if you are taking the stance to defend culture then you can't pick and chose which culture, right? So guns and bombs and whatever else puts a child at risk has to be treated on equal terms.

Now I guess we could argue sexual freedom isn't putting a child at risk but we'll probably never come to an agreement on that either.
 
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