First off you're exactly right but tell that to the families of the 9 people (mostly women) who died from blood clot complications after getting the J&J vaccine. They didn't even get a chance to die from COVID assuming they would have anyway? You do know the CDC recommended in 12/21 preferably getting the other two over J&J. LOL "recommended'.
Not much play about that in the left dominated media. Shouldn't they maybe have shut it down completely? Couldn't do that, might scare the poor 17 million plus who already got the J&J or/+ stop Biden and the left from continually demanding everyone MUST get vaccinated. WTH, 9 more people possibly dying only brings the disposable count to 18.
And as miniscule the stats show it is maybe because people should have the FREEDOM to decide whether or not to get vaccinated. And again why should people safely vaccinated from any chance of death be so preoccupied on all 300M+ Americans getting vaccinated? Aren't we at the herd immunity number that Dr Fauci previously told us would make us all safe? Why not outlaw all persons being able to smoke 1+ packs a day? We know it will eventually down the road give those persons a greater chance of an earlier death than non-smokers.
AND WHO KNOWS FOR SURE THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY LONG TERM SIDE EFFECTS LEADING TO EARLIER DEATH FROM GETTING VACCINATED or/+ BOOSTERED? No scientific person can give us that guaranteed assurance presently.
No doubt it's sadly blossomed into a LEFT vs RIGHT battle but it's one that the left started. I like how the CDC also stopped the monoclonal treatment being used though it sure helped guina pig Trump get better and was quite successfully used by DeSantis in FLA. The media need not let that success story continue.
Davey, nice discussing this with you but we just at a agree/disagree point! Stay safe!
First of all, again, I agree that mandates are unnecessary and that you should have freedom to make your own decision. You make a great point on smoking. Alcohol, junk food, lots of stuff kills us and lots of things COULD be outlawed or required that aren't. So we don't have to agree to disagree on that. We just agree.
So let's put all of that aside, because we are on the same page. Its way too political. The media has it's own agenda. People should be able to choose for themselves. Democrats act like know it all superior pricks. Signed sealed delivered.
Now instead of getting mired in all of that stuff or just "agreeing to disagree", let's talk about why you think getting vaccinated is a bad idea, if you don't mind. If you said STATS ARE ALL A LIE ITS A CONSPIRACY or I DON'T LIKE NEEDLES, fine. But you seem to be a reasonable, intelligent dude. And you are citing stats from reputable sources, believing in their legitimacy. So with that in mind...
1. Those nine families that lost loved ones due to vaccine complications, each of these cases is legitimately devastating. I'm crushed that these families lost loved ones needlessly, as you are right to be. But along the same lines, shouldn't we be equally devastated for the ~60,000 deaths to Americans under 50 and the ~165k deaths in the 50-64 range?
Let's drastically round down and say only 20k of those under 50 and 55k of those 50-64 deaths have come since Jan 1. No matter how you look at the numbers, even if we assume vaccine-related deaths and issues are grossly under-reported and covid-related deaths are grossly over-reported, it's STILL significantly riskier not to get the vaccine than to get it in regards to risk of complications and deaths. It's not particularly close.
It seems to me that because you've decided you don't want the vaccine, you pay much closer attention to stories about vaccination issues than you do for the far more common COVID-19 issues. All reputable statistics point to a far different reality.
2. You mentioned concerns about long-term side effects and issues. These are reasonable concerns; like you said, who knows for sure?
But we do know that current vaccine technology has been around without issues for decades. And again, I feel you are being a bit selective in your focus here. Post-COVID symptoms and "Long COVID" (
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html) are both things we are still learning a lot about.
It's fair to be concerned about potential long-term effects of the vaccine, but shouldn't you also be just as concerned about potential long-term effects from COVID?
3. The vaccine reduces risk of infection and SEVERELY reduces risk of hospitalization and death across all ages. This is pure, documented, undisputed fact. I think you'd agree with this based on your being a reasonable person who believes stats.
So again, do you deserve the right to choose not to get the vaccine? Definitely. I'm more interested in why you are so passionate about exercising that right when:
- The vaccine is far less risky than COVID by any measure you choose.
- Long term is a wash, as we don't know what to expect from either (though we have data in favor of vaccine being safe)
- In addition to protecting yourself, you protect your loved ones (and people on general)
You don't owe me an explanation obviously. I'm just wondering if there's science or logic behind your decision when you remove the politics and emotion from it.
