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Guys, what's your preference: body scan or pat-down? How's this pat-down different from SSSS screening ? Has anyone experienced it ?

I was reading this NY Times blog ( http://intransit.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/23/share-your-security-screening-story/ ) where loads of fliers have shared their airport security stories. The following one was pretty disturbing to me but it could be just an internet story (comment #51, page 3)

I was flying to Tel-Aviv (Israel) from JFK. Yes, I was flying El-Al, and I am not Jewish or Israeli, which most likely triggered the profiling.

I had already passed TSA security two times (Miami and JFK). As I boarded the plane, Israeli security pulled me off the line and started questioning me. They took my passport, checked it and asked me questions about my trip (business). I put my back-bag down and took out the "security letter" my company (which is Israeli) had provided me with as a means to facilitate travel. I also took out my business card. That was the last time I touched my bag, until after I arrived in Tel-Aviv.

After they questioned me, they told me I couldn't go in that plane, unless I subjected myself to a "detailed" security screening. They also told me I could not take my carry-on (back-bag) with me. They also explained that if I didn't comply with their requirements, I would not be allowed in that flight, and would have to wait for the next one, which for scheduling conflicts, I just couldn't take.
I agreed, and asked them to let me take out of my bag my inhaler (I have asthma), iPod and sleeping pills. They said NO and asked me to not touch my bag anymore. As my bag went off for inspection, I was taken by two security agents to a "secret" place.

The ladies were very courteous, but they had to do their job, and I cooperated the best way I could. We took an elevator. I was pulled into a conference room, where I was asked to take off all my clothes. Yes, I was naked, literally. However, even naked, the lady continued her screening with the detector. The other officer walked into the room and took my jacket, clothes and my shoes. They were off to their own inspection.

At this point I admit I was getting irritated, but didn't demonstrate my annoyance at all: just breathed.

My clothes, except my jacket and shoes, were giving back to me 4 to 5 minutes later. I was pulled to another room with lying detectors. Sat in the chair, and was asked more questions. Jacket and shoes came back later. Lady asked her supervisor if she had to cut the jacket. At that point I was quite upset and told them they could cut my jacket as long as they paid the X amount of money I had paid for it. The price kind of scared them (I guess), they stopped right there. I had been patient enough until then.

I was escorted back to the plane 10 to 15 minutes later. At the door, I was giving back my jacket, passport and cell-phone (the only things I had on me prior to inspection).

Many people, from the comments I read in blogs praise Israeli security. Indeed, it is the best. Israel is a country that is constantly threatened, and whose enemies don't mind at all bombing themselves or things up in the name of religion and/or hate.

Well, dear Americans, those people are also a threat to our nation. They don't like us and they don't respect us, and if we give them a chance, they would strike again. Stop living in La La land and face reality.

TSA is for the greater good. Yes, I am sure there might be some rude officials, but hey, there are rude people everywhere. Just thinking how many people, with their own prima donna attitudes passed daily through security, make me wonder if a couple of sporadic cases, are really worth generalizing the whole "security screening" experience as harassment or whatever.
 
I don't want them doing anything invasive like scans and pat-downs. It is a violation of human rights and an outrage! However if there is another terrorist attack involving airplanes then I will be in favor of tighter security and will be okay with all that stuff. At least for awhile until I kind of forget.
 
I don't want them doing anything invasive like scans and pat-downs. It is a violation of human rights and an outrage! However if there is another terrorist attack involving airplanes then I will be in favor of tighter security and will be okay with all that stuff. At least for awhile until I kind of forget.

So 3,000 more people need to die before you let them take a scan of your body that doesn't identify you in any way?
 
I don't want them doing anything invasive like scans and pat-downs. It is a violation of human rights and an outrage! However if there is another terrorist attack involving airplanes then I will be in favor of tighter security and will be okay with all that stuff. At least for awhile until I kind of forget.

I was going to read this outloud to Mr. X and wanted to preface it with "did you read Mudcat's answer" and I said, "Did you read Mud cancer".

I guess you had to be here.
 
I think that security was fine before. If someone would have done their jobs, 9-11 would have never happened. So, in response to some minimum wage security screeners that couldn't find a box cutter with a metal detector, they have to resort to scare mongering in order to hand out some sweet security contracts and set up redundant systems to make the huddling masses feel secure about flying again. If someone wants to take down a plane, it's going down. I think that making me unpack my carry on, leave my toothpaste and shampoo at home, take off my belt and watch as well as show everyone the contents of my pockets and walk through security shoeless is more than enough to make the skies safe. But that's just the common sense talking.
 
Smarmy,

The security before was not fine. When I first came to the US in the early 90's I was shocked with the lack of security at airports here. You could literally drive your car up to the airport entrance, park it there, enter the airport and go all the way to the gate without a ticket or anyone checking your ID. There was not even a single x-ray machine to check carry ons or metal detectors. That was the typical domestic flight (not international).

Europe had the measures they have now (except the body scanners) since the 70's when the terrorists had attacked the 1974 Munich Olympics.

The measures we have now are making us all safe to fly.
 
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