Body scan or pat-down ?

[vagabond]

Not to mention more fun.

 

[Swarmy]

Smarmy,

The security before was not fine. When I first came to the US in the early 90's I was shocked with the lack of security at airports here. You could literally drive your car up to the airport entrance, park it there, enter the airport and go all the way to the gate without a ticket or anyone checking your ID. There was not even a single x-ray machine to check carry ons or metal detectors. That was the typical domestic flight (not international).

Europe had the measures they have now (except the body scanners) since the 70's when the terrorists had attacked the 1974 Munich Olympics.

The measures we have now are making us all safe to fly.

I remember flying in the 80's and we could only go so far in the airport before having to go through security and it was put your bag in the scanner and walk through the metal detector. People without tickets were only allowed so far in the concourse. I stand by that if people did their fucking jobs most of these measures wouldn't be necessary.

 

[Mudcat]

So 3,000 more people need to die before you let them take a scan of your body that doesn't identify you in any way?

,,,,,,,

 

[Herman]

So what did I miss in your post muddy that implied sarcasm?

 

[PuckOff]

THis pat down adn screening shit is all overblown. This has been happening for several years. Hell I've travelled out of Canada 3 times in the last 5 months and all 3 times I had to do the body scanner thing. It took 5 seconds of my time. Not sure if there are health consequences or not, but to me it's no big deal. I've also been padded down and it's no big deal. People have to learn to relax and stop being so much attention to the media that puts a different spin on these stories or pat downs etc. If these pat downs or body scana make people feel safer when travelling then that's cool with me.

 

[PuckOff]

This is my thinking too. Scan me, pat me down, grope me or do whatever is necessary so I don't have to beat the crap out of a terrorist while I'm flying.

Exactly Pavy!!!

People in American are watching too much CNN.

 

[betplom]

,,,,,,,

 

[Jello]

So what did I miss in your post muddy that implied sarcasm?

At least for awhile until I kind of forget.

Wow. Did you actually go back, re-read his post, and STILL not get it?

 

[MrX]

I don't want them doing anything invasive like scans and pat-downs. It is a violation of human rights and an outrage! However if there is another terrorist attack involving airplanes then I will be in favor of tighter security and will be okay with all that stuff. At least for awhile until I kind of forget.

So what did I miss in your post muddy that implied sarcasm?

Let's break it down.

The first sentence seems like a completely reasonable statement of opinion. Most of us are on the alert already, though, because, you know, it's Mudcat. He's clever.

The second sentence has us on Red Alert. That's a pretty strong statement for a laid back guy like Muddy. And that exclamation point, c'mon.

In the third sentence, we're to believe that Mudcat needs to be refreshed of air-terrorism to be in favor of tighter security. Weird. I mean, people often behave that way, but it's pretty strange when presented as a logical plan. Oh, wait, maybe that's the point he's making.

Final sentence. Oh, yup, see what he did. It's this cycle of fear and forgetting. As group-behavior it's sad but understandable. When you make it a statement of intent, it highlights the ridiculousness of it all.

I sure hope this was a commentary on the human condition, and not us goofy Americans, but who knows?

 

[betplom]

Exactly Pavy!!!

People in American are watching too much CNN.

Your spelling/grammar is often atrocious, pal.

 

[Jello]

Let's break it down.

The first sentence seems like a completely reasonable statement of opinion. Most of us are on the alert already, though, because, you know, it's Mudcat. He's clever.

The second sentence has us on Red Alert. That's a pretty strong statement for a laid back guy like Muddy. And that exclamation point, c'mon.

In the third sentence, we're to believe that Mudcat needs to be refreshed of air-terrorism to be in favor of tighter security. Weird. I mean, people often behave that way, but it's pretty strange when presented as a logical plan. Oh, wait, maybe that's the point he's making.

Final sentence. Oh, yup, see what he did. It's this cycle of fear and forgetting. As group-behavior it's sad but understandable. When you make it a statement of intent, it highlights the ridiculousness of it all.

I sure hope this was a commentary on the human condition, and not us goofy Americans, but who knows?

Much more thorough evaluation.

 

[senco78]

its not violating until you have to strip, bend over and spread your butt cheeks...

 

[Swarmy]

for me it's not about going through the experience, it's having to get to the airport at 4am to board a plane at 6am. If they are going to have you go through a scanner, fine but get rid of the rest of the redundant bullshit and get people moving along. Of course, you have to get there early, go through security and wait for 1-2 hours for your flight so that gives you alot of time to spend money in the airport bar or Cinnebon.

 

[Herman]

Let's break it down.

The first sentence seems like a completely reasonable statement of opinion. Most of us are on the alert already, though, because, you know, it's Mudcat. He's clever.

The second sentence has us on Red Alert. That's a pretty strong statement for a laid back guy like Muddy. And that exclamation point, c'mon.

In the third sentence, we're to believe that Mudcat needs to be refreshed of air-terrorism to be in favor of tighter security. Weird. I mean, people often behave that way, but it's pretty strange when presented as a logical plan. Oh, wait, maybe that's the point he's making.

Final sentence. Oh, yup, see what he did. It's this cycle of fear and forgetting. As group-behavior it's sad but understandable. When you make it a statement of intent, it highlights the ridiculousness of it all.

I sure hope this was a commentary on the human condition, and not us goofy Americans, but who knows?

i don't know the guy, there are people who apparently think it is against human rights to take the scans of them and pat them down so i thought maybe he was one of them.

 

[Mudcat]

The first sentence seems like a completely reasonable statement of opinion. Most of us are on the alert already

Revealing statement of the bed of mistrust I have made for myself.

I use exclamation marks and people start guarding their wallets.

 

[MrX]

I use exclamation marks and people start guarding their wallets.

Accurate.

 

[reno cool]

You want security, stop bombing innocent people around the world.

Otherwise put up a sign: fly at your own risk ...and go fuck yourself.

Yes, I don't want to be treated like a criminal. If they want to feel me up for fun that's a different story.

Luckily I'm not an important businessman and I drive everywhere. Which isn't free from pigs trying to pin something on you either.

 

[MrX]

i don't know the guy

I still think you should have figured it out, but I might not be one to talk. I've been unable to decipher fiveteamer's layers of sarcasm and deadpan during my time here.

there are people who apparently think it is against human rights to take the scans of them and pat them down so i thought maybe he was one of them.

Well, out of the context of the airport, it's pretty clearly a violation of privacy, right? So, if someone thinks that the current procedures aren't the best approach for security and are being implemented for other reasons, or that the screeners are using the results of the scans and pat downs for non-security purposes (confiscating money, etc), then they would have a valid point, wouldn't they?