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Are WE atheist or agnostic?

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Cougar Bait
No one is forcing you to watch the videos Maxie...Brock is 36 or 37, I can't remember.

Besides, bashing Brock is so 2009 at this point.

I do think it's funny that the immdiate insult towards me always starts with Brock Landers though.
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You pointed a video camera at him during an entire Cubs game....why wouldn't the insult start with him; you seem to idolize the guy like he's Griffey Jr. in the 90s
 
Jesus did not turn water into wine

Jesus did not walk on water

Me <------ "BAD CHRISTIAN"

There is a GOD in some form or another. Whether its the one's who the Muslims think told them to fly planes into buildings on 9/11 or the one in Revelations of the Bible...theres a God out there. Do we know who he/she/it is? No...because we would have to be dead to know. I do know that when we die we "go on" which is mildly scary and kinda fun at the same time. Play with a Ouija Board in a graveyard and see that thing fly like Shawn Kemp's sperm if you don't believe me.

Mudcat
To me, this depends on how you define god. If we only take our thinking as far as what god means to the prominent religions in this part of the world - entity with a gray beard and penis, manipulating our lives and judging us - then I would say, I am as sure as I can be that there is no god. But I personally don't give a crap about religions, and their idea of god is probably the least interesting of the possibilities.

You could make the argument that, if god is defined as "creator" there absolutely is a god. Something caused all this. There was nothing and suddenly a big bang happened and continues to happen. Something caused it. There was a reason. Whether it is a conscious intelligence or just a bunch of physical laws - it really amounts to the same thing. Aren't physical laws an intelligence? Kind of. How much deeper do they go than what we understand today? I don't know.

Why couldn't there be nothing?

I don't know.






Agnosticism is not any move. It is just honesty.
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madmaxx
Jesus did not turn water into wine

Jesus did not walk on water

Me <------ "BAD CHRISTIAN"

There is a GOD in some form or another. Whether its the one's who the Muslims think told them to fly planes into buildings on 9/11 or the one in Revelations of the Bible...theres a God out there. Do we know who he/she/it is? No...because we would have to be dead to know. I do know that when we die we "go on" which is mildly scary and kinda fun at the same time. Play with a Ouija Board in a graveyard and see that thing fly like Shawn Kemp's sperm if you don't believe me.
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wasn't somebody offering a million $ if you could prove this?
 
Mudcat
To me, this depends on how you define god. If we only take our thinking as far as what god means to the prominent religions in this part of the world - entity with a gray beard and penis, manipulating our lives and judging us - then I would say, I am as sure as I can be that there is no god. But I personally don't give a crap about religions, and their idea of god is probably the least interesting of the possibilities.

You could make the argument that, if god is defined as "creator" there absolutely is a god. Something caused all this. There was nothing and suddenly a big bang happened and continues to happen. Something caused it. There was a reason. Whether it is a conscious intelligence or just a bunch of physical laws - it really amounts to the same thing. Aren't physical laws an intelligence? Kind of. How much deeper do they go than what we understand today? I don't know.

Why couldn't there be nothing?

I don't know.
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I agree with this. It's very hard to fathom that all of this madness came about by pure chance. It's also quite difficult to believe that chance brought about only one species capable of contemplating this. I can't accept the idea that we're not here for a reason, but I absolutely dismiss any organized religion. If you look through time, every civilized society has had its own idea of theology, from the Greeks to the Egyptians to the Myans to the Native American tribes. Yet, all of them have been dismissed by contemporary cultures. Why? Because religion is a product of our environment. However, that does not dismiss the notion that because organized, environmental religions are clearly manmade conceptions that there isn't a reason for our existence.
 
MonkeyF0cker
I agree with this. It's very hard to fathom that all of this madness came about by pure chance. It's also quite difficult to believe that chance brought about only one species capable of contemplating this. I can't accept the idea that we're not here for a reason, but I absolutely dismiss any organized religion. If you look through time, every civilized society has had its own idea of theology, from the Greeks to the Egyptians to the Myans to the Native American tribes. Yet, all of them have been dismissed by contemporary cultures. Why? Because religion is a product of our environment. However, that does not dismiss the notion that because organized, environmental religions are clearly manmade conceptions that there isn't a reason for our existence.
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It's hard for me to believe that any of this can be created by anything but. One of the arguments for a creator I used to hear is that the universe exhibits some kind of order.

We can ascribe order to it, but that's kind of like seeing patterns in random gambling results.
 
reno cool
It's hard for me to believe that any of this can be created by anything but. One of the arguments for a creator I used to hear is that the universe exhibits some kind of order.

We can ascribe order to it, but that's kind of like seeing patterns in random gambling results.
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It's easier for me to believe that something created it than that it all came from nothing.
 
The closest I ever came to believing in a present and active God was a couple years ago when Dick Vitale had to have throat surgery, lost his voice and couldn't broadcast for an entire season. I thought, "this can't be a coincidence". There IS someone up there looking down here and smiting those who deserve punishment.

But then a year later Vitale's voice was fine and he was back on the air every night making a total ass of himself and ruining...fucking RUINING...college basketball games with the volume on.

I knew right then, once and for all, that there is no God.
 
MonkeyF0cker
It's easier for me to believe that something created it than that it all came from nothing.
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Although by definition Occam's Razor is right a lot of the time, but it's not 100% accurate. What are your specific views about how "all of this madness came about"? And how does the "I can't accept the idea that we're not here for a reason" combine with long term evolution via natural selection? I'm not picking on you specifically (although I am) but your posts in this thread warrant further discussion and if nothing else it saves us from discussing different methods of docking.
 
Polaroid
Although by definition Occam's Razor is right a lot of the time, but it's not 100% accurate. What are your specific views about how "all of this madness came about"? And how does the "I can't accept the idea that we're not here for a reason" combine with long term evolution via natural selection? I'm not picking on you specifically (although I am) but your posts in this thread warrant further discussion and if nothing else it saves us from discussing different methods of docking.
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I have no absolute belief about the origin of the universe. The Big Bang is certainly the explanation du jour. I can go along with it, but it doesn't necessitate that it wasn't an orchestrated event. When I was doing a lot of drugs in college, I always thought it could be possible that we were but a part of a sub-atomic particle of something bigger and the molecular composition of our world could be comprised of bonded universes with finite lifespans as well. There could be infinite layers of galaxies. Maybe we're simply part of a molecule of dogshit. I mean there are endless possibilities. I learned long ago that for me to speculate about something that I'll never entirely grasp with absolute conviction is an exercise in futility. However, in the same light, I believe that we descended from apes and that evolution is the course that brought us here.
 
MonkeyF0cker
I have no absolute belief about the origin of the universe. The Big Bang is certainly the explanation du jour. I can go along with it, but it doesn't necessitate that it wasn't an orchestrated event. When I was doing a lot of drugs in college, I always thought it could be possible that we were but a part of a sub-atomic particle of something bigger and the molecular composition of our world could be comprised of bonded universes with finite lifespans as well. There could be infinite layers of galaxies. Maybe we're simply part of a molecule of dogshit. I mean there are endless possibilities. I learned long ago that for me to speculate about something that I'll never entirely grasp with absolute conviction is an exercise in futility. However, in the same light, I believe that we descended from apes and that evolution is the course that brought us here.
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I consider this idea pretty interesting. Imagine the size of that dog.
 
MonkeyF0cker
I have no absolute belief about the origin of the universe. The Big Bang is certainly the explanation du jour. I can go along with it, but it doesn't necessitate that it wasn't an orchestrated event. When I was doing a lot of drugs in college, I always thought it could be possible that we were but a part of a sub-atomic particle of something bigger and the molecular composition of our world could be comprised of bonded universes with finite lifespans as well. There could be infinite layers of galaxies. Maybe we're simply part of a molecule of dogshit. I mean there are endless possibilities. I learned long ago that for me to speculate about something that I'll never entirely grasp with absolute conviction is an exercise in futility. However, in the same light, I believe that we descended from apes and that evolution is the course that brought us here.
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I have thought the same thing before...especially on psilocybin. Good post.
 
Don't let anyone or anything fool you guys. This guy is in charge! :yes:

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