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Had a roommate shoot himself when I was 18, he actually took my acoustic with him, jammed awhile then shot himself twice in the heart with a .22 calibre rifle. Sort of similar to mudcat's story in regards to the partying. The guy was a great musician, but terrible with responsibility and had recently discovered he knocked up a girl who was a real bitch and had a nasty meth habit to boot.

Had another roommate do himself in after i told him to beat it. I had done a good job of keeping drugs out of my life for quite a few years and he started shoving his lifestyle in my face more and more till I had to make a decision. I knew what I was capable of and rather than get sucked back into that lifestyle I told him me or the drugs. He chose the drugs and ended up taking a dive off the bridge below. Leaving behind a 300 cd collection, some moldy plates, and a beautifully crafted collage of photos of pregnant chicks getting banged. The last album he listened to was Beach Boy's Endless summer. I feel bad about giving him the ultimatum, but if you knew my history you would know I had no choice, him or me.

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A good friend of mine went home from work a couple of years ago and put a shotgun in her mouth. Her husband found her when he got home. She had been seeing a psychiatrist and he changed her anti-depressant meds without weaning her off the old one first.

Muddy, the selfish comes in from just quitting. You leave the people in your life burdened with guilt wondering what did they miss? What could they have done to prevent it? You don't have to face the damage you do by being a coward and just giving up. At least that is my opinion.
 
Muddy, the selfish comes in from just quitting. You leave the people in your life burdened with guilt wondering what did they miss? What could they have done to prevent it? You don't have to face the damage you do by being a coward and just giving up. At least that is my opinion.

Sums it up to a tee how I view it! Everyone close to you is affected probably for the rest of their lives.
 
Wow some awful stories in here. My condolences to all and blessings especially those who lost someone close.

Only 2 remote ones for me. One girl in high school threw herself in front of a train. Was openly bi, and hot oriental - no joke! Around my parts (Jersey, early 90s) in those days it wasn't normal and I can't help but think the ridicule was a big part of why she did it. I went to school with some real assholes.

Other lady at a telemarketing place I worked at briefly, long after I left there. This hippie lady who I found to be really weird but my roommate told me about what telling a room full of college students whom she managed what happened was like, multiple times he had to do it. So uncool.

It wasn't suicide but in an office I managed at the same time a bunch of the high school kids got into heroin and this one kid killed himself with it. Started puking green and his "buddies" threw his body out of the car in front of a Hospital and drove off. Dealt with a lot of kids having anxiety attacks and having to go home, etc. Liked that kid a lot, even though I had fired him not long before that (attendance reasons).

No good.

As far as the question of if it is selfish, all I can say is I can't imagine how it would be for my brother or my parents if I ever did it, therefore I never could. no matter what, no matter what you are thinking people are going to blame themselves for at least a period of time, which just sucks. Gotta play the hand out and see where it goes.
 
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Man, I could go on for days. I'll start at the beginning and go in order....for the most part....some of the timelines are blurry now.

When I was about 16 a kid from my neighborhood a year older than me hung himself. He found his ex in bed with his best friend, went in the boiler room and did it. His other best friend found him. This kid was liked by everyone, but I don't think he knew it. I remember thinking that if he could have seen the line of people around the block waiting to get into his wake, he may have reconsidered. And I know I should do this, but I was supposed to bring the friend's ex to the party that night. I wimped out because I had drama with some girls and wasn't in the mood for a fight. For long time I wondered if SHE would have been in bed with the friend if I had just brought her to the party. Maybe this never would have happened.

A few years later, my best friend's sister's boyfriend killed himself via overdose. Yes, it was a suicide. He knew how much heroin to take and how much would kill him. He had been clean for a while, then broke his leg and had to go on pain meds. Then he became so depressed about being stuck in the house that he ended it. They had an baby girl. I think she was still under a year.

Few years after that, a good friend's little sister took her own life because her boyfriend left her. I believe it was a hanging. She, too, had an infant. She was only 19. I can't remember the details, but I believe she sent a note to the boyfriend telling him it was his fault and she hoped he was happy. Sickening. No 19 year old kid should have to live with that.

Just after New Year's 2003, I got in a fight with my mother. She was living with me and I was doing everything I could to support both of us on $20K a year. We got to fighting a lot. My mom has always had mental problems. She had a doctor that kept giving her new meds. She would be on one for a few days, tell him it wasn't working and he would just call in another for her. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about anti depressants knows how wrong that is on so many levels. So, we got in a fight one morning. I could hear her stomping around the house while I was getting my laundry together, but thought nothing of it. Turns out she was going back and forth to the bathroom filling up a little cup with water so she could take her pills...all of them...anti-depressants....tranquilizers...sleeping pills... everything but her estrogen. There were at least 15 bottles of pills. Not knowing any of this, I figured I would go to my Dad's and cool off for a while. I will never understand what force intervened, but when I got to my dad's house, he was leaving so I turned around and went home. There were ambulances on my street by the time I got back. Turns out Mom had called my sister and told her that she wanted to be cremated. My sister could tell something was wrong, so she called 911. Mom told her that if she heard sirens, she was going to slit her throat. So, when I arrived home, the EMTs were all standing around because they thought she was armed. They were asking me questions when I just shoved one of them (knocked him down too, he had to be at least twice my size) and ran in the house. By the time I got to the bathroom, Mom was raking the razor blade across her neck and mumbling to herself. I grabbed her wrist and kept it away from her neck long enough for the EMTs to catch up with me. They had to carry her by her hands and feet because she was fighting and laughing at them saying: "You'll never be able to save me! I made sure of that!!" She was dead when she arrived at the hospital. Miraculously, they got her heart beating again and after a week in a coma (with little hope according to the doctors), she finally woke up.

So yeah, the Ken thing really hit me hard. I don't know exactly what his family is going though, but for a while there, I knew what it felt like to lose a parent that way. They are supposed to protect us...to love us...to always be there for us. The pain of knowing your PARENT felt so desperate that they are willing to leave you with all those questions is something I wouldn't wish on anyone. Had she died, I know I would be blaming myself. She had been planning it for months, but I wouldn't have known that. I just would have known that I got in a fight with my mom and she killed herself. I may never fully forgive her for what she did, and she understands that. What she tried to do was beyond selfish. Her sister had died of cancer several months before that. That woman could have given up so many times. She went through every painful treatment and surgery she could, just to stay with her 9 year old son a little longer....and my mom was just going to piss it away...just leave me, my sister, my brother and all of her grandkids. Fucking selfish.
 
The idea of labeling suicide as selfish is dubious to me. I get where the idea comes from but the suggestion that someone has a duty to continue living a life that they are so unhappy in, just to spare other people some upset . . . . hmmmm

Like if someone were to say to me, "I know someone who is completely profoundly unhappy in life and I expect him to keep enduring it in order to spare my feelings," . . . . to me, that would be selfish.

We are talking about a situation that is the ultimate. I think about what must be going on in someone's head. To just label it as selfish seems a little too easy.



And I know, oftentimes there are more than just the hurt feelings of loved ones involved. As I said, my friend Mark had a 1 year-old son. He had committed to a responsibility.

I don't know. I was never really mad at Mark or considered him selfish. I felt really bad for what he must have been going through.

Mind you, I had some pretty low moments myself so I could relate a little more than I am comfortable remembering.

Muddy, I see what you're saying and I feel bad for whatever that person is going through, too. I don't think they always do it for selfish reasons. In my mom's case, she was being supported by her 20 year old daughter. She felt like she was a burden on our family. BUT, had she reached out to us, we could have reassured her that wasn't the case. We could have gotten her to a better doctor. There is always a way out. Suicide is a permanent solution to temporary problems. It's selfish because you're causing unimaginable pain to your friends and family all to ease your own. It's like if you had cancer and the doctor told you he could cure you, but he'd have to spread you cancer around to all of your loved ones and you took him up on it. Selfish. My mom's first word when she woke up was "Sorry". She was crying before she even opened her eyes because she could hear us and she knew what she had done to us. Even SHE knew it was selfish...and she was still pretty out of it at that point.
 
Man, I could go on for days. I'll start at the beginning and go in order....for the most part....some of the timelines are blurry now.

When I was about 16 a kid from my neighborhood a year older than me hung himself. He found his ex in bed with his best friend, went in the boiler room and did it. His other best friend found him. This kid was liked by everyone, but I don't think he knew it. I remember thinking that if he could have seen the line of people around the block waiting to get into his wake, he may have reconsidered. And I know I should do this, but I was supposed to bring the friend's ex to the party that night. I wimped out because I had drama with some girls and wasn't in the mood for a fight. For long time I wondered if SHE would have been in bed with the friend if I had just brought her to the party. Maybe this never would have happened.

A few years later, my best friend's sister's boyfriend killed himself via overdose. Yes, it was a suicide. He knew how much heroin to take and how much would kill him. He had been clean for a while, then broke his leg and had to go on pain meds. Then he became so depressed about being stuck in the house that he ended it. They had an baby girl. I think she was still under a year.

Few years after that, a good friend's little sister took her own life because her boyfriend left her. I believe it was a hanging. She, too, had an infant. She was only 19. I can't remember the details, but I believe she sent a note to the boyfriend telling him it was his fault and she hoped he was happy. Sickening. No 19 year old kid should have to live with that.

Just after New Year's 2003, I got in a fight with my mother. She was living with me and I was doing everything I could to support both of us on $20K a year. We got to fighting a lot. My mom has always had mental problems. She had a doctor that kept giving her new meds. She would be on one for a few days, tell him it wasn't working and he would just call in another for her. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about anti depressants knows how wrong that is on so many levels. So, we got in a fight one morning. I could hear her stomping around the house while I was getting my laundry together, but thought nothing of it. Turns out she was going back and forth to the bathroom filling up a little cup with water so she could take her pills...all of them...anti-depressants....tranquilizers...sleeping pills... everything but her estrogen. There were at least 15 bottles of pills. Not knowing any of this, I figured I would go to my Dad's and cool off for a while. I will never understand what force intervened, but when I got to my dad's house, he was leaving so I turned around and went home. There were ambulances on my street by the time I got back. Turns out Mom had called my sister and told her that she wanted to be cremated. My sister could tell something was wrong, so she called 911. Mom told her that if she heard sirens, she was going to slit her throat. So, when I arrived home, the EMTs were all standing around because they thought she was armed. They were asking me questions when I just shoved one of them (knocked him down too, he had to be at least twice my size) and ran in the house. By the time I got to the bathroom, Mom was raking the razor blade across her neck and mumbling to herself. I grabbed her wrist and kept it away from her neck long enough for the EMTs to catch up with me. They had to carry her by her hands and feet because she was fighting and laughing at them saying: "You'll never be able to save me! I made sure of that!!" She was dead when she arrived at the hospital. Miraculously, they got her heart beating again and after a week in a coma (with little hope according to the doctors), she finally woke up.

So yeah, the Ken thing really hit me hard. I don't know exactly what his family is going though, but for a while there, I knew what it felt like to lose a parent that way. They are supposed to protect us...to love us...to always be there for us. The pain of knowing your PARENT felt so desperate that they are willing to leave you with all those questions is something I wouldn't wish on anyone. Had she died, I know I would be blaming myself. She had been planning it for months, but I wouldn't have known that. I just would have known that I got in a fight with my mom and she killed herself. I may never fully forgive her for what she did, and she understands that. What she tried to do was beyond selfish. Her sister had died of cancer several months before that. That woman could have given up so many times. She went through every painful treatment and surgery she could, just to stay with her 9 year old son a little longer....and my mom was just going to piss it away...just leave me, my sister, my brother and all of her grandkids. Fucking selfish.

That is just fucking heavy. I am so sorry that happened to you.
 
It wasn't suicide but in an office I managed at the same time a bunch of the high school kids got into heroin and this one kid killed himself with it. Started puking green and his "buddies" threw his body out of the car in front of a Hospital and drove off. Dealt with a lot of kids having anxiety attacks and having to go home, etc. Liked that kid a lot, even though I had fired him not long before that (attendance reasons).

My best friend in college went to party one night at some kids place that went to pharmaceutical school. He tried to get me to go, but I'm not into drugs. Weed, sure...but pharmies, coke, etc...no thanks. According to the kids that lived there, they left to go out leaving my two buddies (one was mt best friend, the other another kid from my dorm I knew) at their place. They were "asleep" when they got home, so no one disturbed them. Even thought they had not moved, no one disturbed them until about 6:00pm the next night...even thought they knew they were supposed to be on the T at noon. I think they knew they were dead that morning (or even the night before) but they were coming up with a plan. Turns out they drank the liquid form of opium. Both 18...both dead.

Oh, and because I suck at life....I had gone home to pick up my best friend from home to meet the friend who died. I couldn't get a hold of him, so I went to hang out with other friends. When I got back to the dorm (a little tipsy), everyone was in the lobby looking all depressed. Wanna take a guess at what I said? Yep..."Gah, who died?! HAHAHA!" I'm such an asshole. Really, I am.
 
That is just fucking heavy. I am so sorry that happened to you.

Thanks. Honestly, I've coped with it better than one would think. I've tried to draw the good from it. It showed me nothing is EVER so bad that I would do that to my family. It made me appreciate my mom more (she's doing very well now, BTW). It also showed me that I'm stronger than I thought I was. I'm not saying I'm glad it happened, just that I've managed to find a sliver of a silver lining. Feels good to get it out though.
 
Some amazing stories here, thank you all for sharing. It helps.

I am old, and like a few others here, I have a fogged over past, so I don't remember everything.

But I think this is the first suicide I can remember that touched me personally. It certainly is a difficult thing to handle. I think mostly because it is hard to get a handle on. The Ken I knew was, while somewhat amoral, always cheery and upbeat. Starts one thinking what was I missing....
 
When I was 9 yrs old my 19 yr old uncle killed himself by jumping off the 14th floor balcony of his apartment building in west Toronto.
I can recall vividly many relatives cars parked outside our house as me and my brother walked home from school that day to be told my uncle Alex had died.

It was 4 years ago this week that another uncle, (the brother of the 19 yr old above) killed himself after getting in debt from playing the slot machines. He was 50. He started gambling in his mid 40's and won almost $60,000 the first couple of weeks he started playing the slots. He was hooked from then.
On the day he died he left Woodbine Racetrack/Slots to go to a nearby motel with a can of helium he obtained from a party store, he got onto the bed placed a bag over his head and inhaled the helium till it suffocated him. I still think about him, we were good pals.
 
Wow, I figured a few people would have experience with this but it seems like it is almost everybody.





Muddy, I see what you're saying and I feel bad for whatever that person is going through, too. I don't think they always do it for selfish reasons. In my mom's case, she was being supported by her 20 year old daughter. She felt like she was a burden on our family. BUT, had she reached out to us, we could have reassured her that wasn't the case. We could have gotten her to a better doctor. There is always a way out. Suicide is a permanent solution to temporary problems. It's selfish because you're causing unimaginable pain to your friends and family all to ease your own. It's like if you had cancer and the doctor told you he could cure you, but he'd have to spread you cancer around to all of your loved ones and you took him up on it. Selfish. My mom's first word when she woke up was "Sorry". She was crying before she even opened her eyes because she could hear us and she knew what she had done to us. Even SHE knew it was selfish...and she was still pretty out of it at that point.


Yeah I don't want to argue about the selfishness angle. I get the point that people are making. I clearly get it.

I understand there are options and solutions. Few people understand that better than me with my ongoing participation in the fields of trauma and addiction. I frequently sit in rooms full of people who have bounced back from the most extreme lows, and frontline workers whose lives are dedicated to helping people do that.

The problem is that deciding to take action and seek help requires a certain amount of clear thinking and sometimes it is just not there. There is just too much noise. I have lived it.

Hands down I favor seeking solutions over suicide but I am a bit forgiving.