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Vegas Dave
How do you mean? Hundreds of millions due to California's high tax rates or due to not taking the money frontloaded so he could invest it?
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I was talking about the latter and relative to a standard annual contract (who knows if that was available). At 5% discount rate (also the investment rate):

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Boner_18
I was talking about the latter and relative to a standard annual contract (who knows if that was available). At 5% discount rate (also the investment rate):

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Yeah, that's what I figured. Crazy for sure. And doesn't even seem to affect cap hit, could have deferred/spread out much more evenly.

But at the end of the day what difference does it make when he's well on his way to being a billionaire anyway.
 
From a straight financial perspective it's a terrible contract. Even if the alternative was only 50m/yr for 10 years he gave up 100m.

But it's going to go down as the most significant home town (or cross town) discounts of my lifetime. He quite literally gave up hundreds of millions to stay where he wanted and to help make that team better in the "short" term, and not by a little bit.
 
Boner_18
From a straight financial perspective it's a terrible contract. Even if the alternative was only 50m/yr for 10 years he gave up 100m.

But it's going to go down as the most significant home town (or cross town) discounts of my lifetime. He quite literally gave up hundreds of millions to stay where he wanted and to help make that team better in the "short" term, and not by a little bit.
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I tend to agree with you. But marketing opportunities in la vs Orange County have to be better. I don’t think enough to make up for the loss in salary but he Ohtani will be presented with more opportunities if he wants them.
 
Shortstop
I agree it’s a horrible deal on all aspects.
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Not what I said. You don't like players giving discounts to make the team better?
tullamore
I tend to agree with you. But marketing opportunities in la vs Orange County have to be better. I don’t think enough to make up for the loss in salary but he Ohtani will be presented with more opportunities if he wants them.
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Yeah, im more with you on the last part. I don't think this moves the needle. Dude's marketing opportunities are astronomical wherever he goes. Hell, I bet 75% of his off the field revenue comes from Japan anyhow. And of the domestic piece I bet 1/3 of that is national. We're not talking about a guy getting 10k to sign baseballs at a used car dealer here (though that would be hilarious).
 
Boner_18
Not what I said. You don't like players giving discounts to make the team better?

Yeah, im more with you on the last part. I don't think this moves the needle. Dude's marketing opportunities are astronomical wherever he goes. Hell, I bet 75% of his off the field revenue comes from Japan anyhow. And of the domestic piece I bet 1/3 of that is national. We're not talking about a guy getting 10k to sign baseballs at a used car dealer here (though that would be hilarious).
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I'm not an attorney.

The guy is very prone to injury. Not a good investment ..
 
Tron
I’m happy for Ohtani, my hometown Los Angeles and the Dodgers but I’m definitely vexed at what this does to “parity” in MLB
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I can’t see many players ever agreeing to a deal like this. I can see a few teams trying to pressure players into one though. I wonder if Ohtani proposed this to other teams and they balked.
 
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