Random thoughts

[Mudcat]

Having a sudden and urgent sneeze attack - having just finished a peanut butter cup - and still having the chewed/melted residue of that all through your mouth - like your mouth is basically coated with it - and you are in no-man's-land when the things strikes - in the hall, too far from paper towels to make a play . . .

 

[MrX]

Police don't make the laws. Their job is only to enforce them. Police cannot ignore complaints made by citizens in their jurisdictions.

You would know better than I at what level and to what extent police forces can make decisions on how they investigate a reported crime, but I know it's not quite as simple as you're making it sound. The police do not launch a forensic investigation into every crime that is reported, and I've seen times that they will simply not get involved in a blatant crime for whatever reasons, I'm sure usually lack of resources and whatever priorities they're instructed to follow.

That said, in a sensitive case like this, I would guess the orders are probably coming down from pretty high. And I guess it's the politically safer move to follow the letter of the law, no matter how much more damaging it might be to everyone involved.

Who's the final say in how aggressive an investigation becomes? The DA? Yes, the laws need to be addressed to avoid this sort of thing, but I'm pretty sure a voice of reason somewhere up the chain of command could help a lot at the moment.

It would be a real shame if you really believe this. It's way off base.

I think there's a lot wrong in these cases, and probably none or almost none of the fault lies with police officers. After following it some more, I probably place the most blame with the school administrators and the DA. The DA is now sounding more threatening about the possibility of these kids ending up on the sex offenders list and encouraging kids to surrender their phones.

It's insanity. It does not resonate with me that this is all coming from some noble, though misguided, attempt at justice. At best it's extreme cowardice and no one's willing to be a voice of reason. At worst (and I think more likely) there are adults who feel abnormally compelled to have control over the sex lives of the young people in their charge, so much so that they're willing to fuck up the lives of those kids for doing exactly what socially healthy kids do at that age.

 

[Tron]

Correct, ultimately the state attorney's office decides whether to move forward with prosecution or decline the case. Cops simply write up a Probable Cause Affidavit based on their respective state laws.


Unfortunately, there aren't any ways for detectives to sort of brush off these high profile cases even though (as you pointed out) they're potentially devastating for the futures of the "offenders" and are for lack of a better phrase, much ado about nothing.

 

[roguejuror]

DAs are some of the most vile people in the US. They will run over anyone.

 

[MrX]

Okay, let's all agree that the DA is a scumbag perv.

 

[reno cool]

they're all just a clog in the system. Just doing their job ya know.
fight the power!

 

[Mudcat]

Cog or clog?

I guess it works either way.

 

[Mudcat]

Having a sudden and urgent sneeze attack - having just finished a peanut butter cup - and still having the chewed/melted residue of that all through your mouth - like your mouth is basically coated with it - and you are in no-man's-land when the things strikes - in the hall, too far from paper towels to make a play . . .

So basically the decision is, sneeze-spray chocolate all over the floor/wall/whatever.

Or sneeze-spray chocolate into the crook of you arm, whether that be a shirt or your actual skin.

Or, if wearing a shirt, pull up the front and sneeze into that.

Or just sneeze with your mouth as closed as possible and hope your eyeballs don't pop out.



You have a quarter second to decide. WHAT DO YOU DO???

 

[eggs]

I go crook of arm there but I can tell you nothing compares to sneezing in a woman's face just as she is about to orgasm.

 

[reno cool]

Cog or clog?

I guess it works either way.

I must mean cog, but clog seems a more appropriately sounding word
this is due to me not being a native speaker

 

[Badnina]

So basically the decision is, sneeze-spray chocolate all over the floor/wall/whatever.

Or sneeze-spray chocolate into the crook of you arm, whether that be a shirt or your actual skin.

Or, if wearing a shirt, pull up the front and sneeze into that.

Or just sneeze with your mouth as closed as possible and hope your eyeballs don't pop out.



You have a quarter second to decide. WHAT DO YOU DO???

pffft...men and their little issues. You should have to sneeze RIGHT AFTER you have applied mascara and it's still damp on your lashes!!!

 

[MrX]

So basically the decision is, sneeze-spray chocolate all over the floor/wall/whatever.

Or sneeze-spray chocolate into the crook of you arm, whether that be a shirt or your actual skin.

Or, if wearing a shirt, pull up the front and sneeze into that.

Or just sneeze with your mouth as closed as possible and hope your eyeballs don't pop out.



You have a quarter second to decide. WHAT DO YOU DO???

Of these choices, the eyeball-popper would be my mine.

BUT...

I'm able to do this open-airway kind of sneeze in this situation that eliminates the food-sprayey thing. You need to keep your tongue away from the roof of your mouth and your mouth open as you sneeze. It's going to sound different, more like a gasp/cough, no Ah-choo.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I've never had this discussion with anyone. Maybe I have a superpower.

 

[MrX]

If, however, you're washing down that peanut-butter cup with a beverage when the sneeze comes on, all bets are off.

Things are going to get unpleasant.

 

[MrMonkey]

I luv accompanying music playing while I'm painting! Doing so presently in the bathroom! :

 

[Mudcat]

Of these choices, the eyeball-popper would be my mine.

BUT...

I'm able to do this open-airway kind of sneeze in this situation that eliminates the food-sprayey thing. You need to keep your tongue away from the roof of your mouth and your mouth open as you sneeze. It's going to sound different, more like a gasp/cough, no Ah-choo.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I've never had this discussion with anyone. Maybe I have a superpower.

No, I don't know what you're talking about.



I'll tell you what I did. Option D. I sneezed with my mouth open as little as possible. It turned into a series of 3 rapidfire sneezes and was actually quite uncomfortable but my eyeballs remained in situ and if there was any mess at all, I can't see it. Maybe some chocolate micro-spray on the floor.

If I had to do it over, I would go for the crook of the arm thing. Who cares? Maybe I change a shirt and/or rinse my arm.


But there was so little time.

 

[bacon]

I had a kid in Catholic school sneeze right in my face. I thought it was hilarious at the time and laughed with him, then I got sick for awhile.

I still think it's pretty funny.

 

[Mudcat]

I remember when Vikas Barghava came to my school in grade 6. It was very notable because he was east Indian and my whole school - my whole world really - was whitebread Canadian thru-and-thru. The only exceptions were the Abes - they were brother-sister Asians - we called Asians Orientals at that time - but anyway they were very Canadian Asians.

Then Vikas Barghava showed up.

I remember him so clearly because I was the undisputed chess champion of the student body and BOOM! - he just mopped the floor with me. Like I would sit there and very carefully plot out my move for 5 minutes - he would barely even be looking at the board and he would make a move in like 2 seconds - and this pattern repeated - but not for long - because the game would be over with me losing in a surprising hurry.

I did not like that one bit.

 

[MonkeyF0cker]

Police don't make the laws. Their job is only to enforce them. Police cannot ignore complaints made by citizens in their jurisdictions.

I know you know this but it needs to be said.

I just saw Mudcats posts.


Anyway, if a mother calls the police and says I want to prosecute blah blah blah and it's a state statute, police cannot simply go "lol we're not doing that kids are kids ya know!".


In my several years in law enforcement I never created a law. Other people (not cops) create laws.

I recently had several stolen credit card transactions on one of my websites. They were using VPN's in the United States and having packages sent to a "package forwarding" service in Indiana which would then forward them to the perpetrator. I called the police in the small town in Indiana and they told me that I had to file a police report with the Las Vegas police department before they could pursue the operation in their town. It was then the Las Vegas police department's decision whether they wanted to pursue the case. I asked the Indiana police department if I could submit an anonymous tip that this warehouse was being used to fulfill fraudulent transactions. They told me that they would have no probable cause unless I filed the report in Las Vegas first and that the owner could simply deny them access to their facilities as well as not answer any questioning.

So, it would appear that the police department doesn't really have to do anything. Probable cause is completely subjective, and in this case, they apparently didn't even have probable cause if I provided them with explicit documentation proving that the address was listed online as a package forwarding business and that packages purchased with a stolen credit card were delivered there.