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I made a comment about the area of Alabama and Mississippi that I was traveling through being some of the poorest parts I had ever been too. I may have embellished a tad but it was definitely a poor area.

Im sure if you have traveled much you have seen plenty of poor areas throughout the country. Even though my travels are severely minimal I can say for certain that we have plenty of areas here in Florida that are desperately impoverished as well.

I was spouting off when I made the remark but once I got home I actually did a little research and sure enough Mississippi ranks as the lowest income per capita state in America as recently as the last study done in 2008. Alabama came in only a couple of spots higher, in fact of the lowest 10 states 6 of them are in SEC territory.

To coincide with Mississippi being the poorest not surprisingly the state also is among the lowest in education and highest in pregnancy in all of the U.S. Im sure no-one will be surprised to learn that the southern states as a whole are also the majority of government assistance states in America as well.

Im no authority on the matter but after this weekend and after some of the research I did, I have a theory for this. My theory isnt so much as to why one state is higher or lower than another but more about poverty in general.

Education, motivation, determination and inspiration are crucial parts in my way of thinking. My theory was surmised based on a simple story one of my fellow travelers told as we rode to our golf destination.

Now this person isnt someone I can call a friend. I have known him for years and have played golf with him but that has been where our association has ended. We are not cut from the same cloth nor do we run or live in the same social circles. I am working class through and through and he, well he comes from money and makes plenty of money. Dont get me wrong though, he isnt an uppity sort, not at all he is good people, just rich good people.

He told the story of how when he was wrapping up his college days and would have his degree in business that he was having trouble deciding what he would do with his life. He said his dad sat him down and gave him the best piece of information he ever received. He said his dad told him to go into a business that by law people were required to have. Obviously that business was insurance. Today this guy is a high level associate with Nationwide and makes well over $200k a year.

Now what triggered here for me was not that he makes all this money, it was not that he had a college degree either. The education he received that meant the most here was the guidance his father gave him. He had someone in his life with vision and who was able to persuade his son down the right path. This guy had the determination to want to make a good life for himself and his family to make himself a success at it. The inspiration of a good life was all the motivation he needed.

By in large what happened in this story I just told is missing in many homes across this country. Certainly here in the south we have a severe number of youth growing up in single parent environments, high crime neighborhoods and in many cases social groups of lazy work ethics. When you grow up in this type of environment you either find the inner strength to get up and get out and do something with your life or you settle for the status quo and continue the cycle.

Those who do make something out of themselves often do it elsewhere in other parts of the country so they arent helping put it back where they came from. Those that tend to continue the cycle stay in the area so it doesnt get any better.

There is a whole other psychological aspect as to why the southern states remain impoverished states as well but that has to deal with the Civil War and the sociological and psychological scars that still run deep in both blacks and whites with deep ties to their ancestors of the period.

In both of these situations though I am certain it is more an excuse than an actual belief.

Many blacks today have been told by blacks from yesterday that they are due something for the years and years of oppression. So if you are given this excuse at an early age it has to become very difficult to overcome that way of thinking. If at the same time the government makes it very easy to accept a handout and your mindset is that of you are owed anyway then it almost becomes validated to an extent.

By the same token many whites whos ancestry stems from the Civil War era where told that something was taken from them. That this country was theirs and the northerners took it away. So in a sense here again we have a mindset that something is owed to them as well.

Its a vicious cycle, Its no different than becoming an alcoholic, a drug addict or a criminal really. When you are immersed in a social environment that creates a negative mindset it takes a very strong personality to overcome and rise above. Its one thing when its just the friends you associate with continuing this but when its your whole family history it can practically be an impossible struggle to achieve something more.

So where does it end? When do we as a southern nation change the path we are own? I wish I had an answer to that. I would hope the change could start with creating a different outlook for our children who would carry it on to their children. Thats how it started and its the only way I see it can be changed. How to make that start though is anybodies guess.
 
Yeah. It's sad to see some of those impoverished areas, Wally. It's certainly a vicious cycle. There are so many variables there that it would be impossible to cure the ails with one broad solution. It takes a great deal of initiative to escape that cycle when simply surviving seems to be such a daunting task in itself in those areas. It's easy to see how even the strongest of wills would just give in to the temptations of crime, drugs, and alcohol there.
 
LOL, this thread has 22 views, I'm thinking 18 of them opened it saw it's length and closed immediately.

I started to write this as a satire but then I thought maybe RJ actually wanted a real opinion and after looking at someof the numbers decided to take it seriously.
 
The trips I have taken through lower Alabama and parts of Mississippi that show you absolute hovels that people call home are symbolic of the same reason we lost that dang wat of Northern Agression. Industrialization. The majority of these areas are rural with maybe one big plant that hires the community. And by now most of those businesses have moved out of the country, leaving no other employment means to take its place. That means little tax money moving around the community which affects the schools, which affects education and so forth and so on. Then they see other areas that have more and get resentful. And the cycle continues.
 
Wally it was very well said. You put a lot of thought into it. Sometimes I wonder if you should just run for office or something.

Nina, Wally, are white southerners still pissed at us Yankees about the result of the Civil War?
 
Coug's even today there are those that dwell on what the country would be like had the South won the war but come on, they are just recanting what their fathers or grandfathers told them. There are certainly an ignorant group of people here and there that want to raise that flag but have no real understanding of it's true meaning. It's a cultural thing that gets foggy in translation from generation to generation.

I never realized until looking at several charts that Florida ranks in the lower half of the nation in income per capita as well. I always assumed Florida was up there but that's not the case. Florida does rank higher than the other southern states except Georgia.
 
What if we just stopped all the goverment handouts? Without anything to look forward to on the first of the month, I bet more people would go back to school and fewer chicks would be getting pregnant because they'd all be too busy trying to scrounge up some money on their own. The key to solving poverty is to stop subsidizing it.
 
RS makes a good point. As long as we make it easy to stay poor, stay uneducated and stay pregnant there will always be those who will take the easy route.

That isn't to say there aren't those cases out there that need assistance but there are plenty simply taking advantage of it.
 
teh rich guy is rich because his daddy gave him connections to kick off his career. imagine if jamal tried to do the same thing and all his homies will probably make fun of him as a sell out.

sort of like that david chappell's show about the black guy working at wackdonalds
 
What an insightful, well-written post Wally. Thank you for sharing it!

(My response is going to be long so skimmers, I won't be offended if you just give it a pass.)

I was in Fiji on a work trip and got caught in a massive hurricane in '08 and the resort I was staying at was only accessible to the mainland by a bridge that was washed out so basically everyone was stranded for 4 days, including the staff. There was literally nothing for us to do but eat, drink and cry together so those of us who didn't manage to get out before the hurricane hit got to really know each other quite well.

On one of the nights, a group of us were sitting in the bar together and were dreadfully drunk and one of the American guys asked the Fijian staff sitting with us if they managed to snag anything from any of the shops at the resort when the power went out since the security system obviously also went down. (There are a couple of really high-end jewelry and clothing stores within the resort.) The Fijians looked at the guy as if he were insane and I swear one of the men even had tears in his eyes. He was hurt that one of his new 'friends' would even think of asking something like that. So then the conversation turned into all of us honkies trying to backpedal for this guy and explain that looting happens often back home during crises such as this and no one would ever judge these people least of all considering they have no social welfare system and their daily wage, even at an upscale resort, equates to a bag of oranges and maybe a loaf of bread for us, if that. But the Fijians explained to us that while crime obviously exists there, it would be the lowest of the low to take advantage of a fellow man purely because he's vulnerable due to an 'act of God'. It blew me away.

Then, a couple of days later, the bridge was deemed somewhat safe to drive on so myself and a Swedish guy offered to drive into the mainland to get supplies for everyone as we'd basically wiped the resort out and still had to wait a few days for the airport to re-open. When we crossed the bridge, there were people everywhere out on the street, making their way through murky water, while various household possessions floated past them on the street. Their huts were washed away, there were dead animals everywhere - some of them kind of floating a little - and we came to find out later that a lot of people lost everything they owned, including family members. Yet the people we saw were singing out gospel-like songs while they were walking, and smiling and waving at the white chick driving through in an SUV. A large group of them even rushed up to move things out of the way on the road so we could get through. Again, in a lot of so-called civilised countries I've lived in, people would've been looting everywhere and I'm sure at least a few of them would've seized the opportunity to prey on the two crackers with the expensive rental car who obviously weren't locals.

Maybe it's because poverty is the only thing they've ever known and they aren't deluged with visions of multi-gazillionaire celebrities on tv? Or maybe they're just inherently more happy and determined to make the best of whatever comes their way? I don't know but it sure made me more grateful for every little thing I've had handed to me and resolved not to be as much of a whiny bitch about things that are truly insignificant in the whole scheme of life. I'm determined to show my son as much of the world as I can so his eyes are hopefully as opened as mine were on that trip which should've been a disaster but turned out to be the best of my life.