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Dan LeBatard is a highly respected sports journalist who also has a radio show here in South Florida and is on ESPN now and again.

I took my oldest son to the groundbreaking of this stadium a couple of years ago because I wanted to tell him when he gets older that him and I were there when it was just a pile of dirt.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/...-even-finished-yet-florida.html#ixzz1HGkXVGnO


By Dan Le Batard
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A long time ago, right around here, I fell in love for the first time.

I learned how to be Cuban down the street, at Abuelita’s house, but this is where Dad would bring me on the best Sundays, my little hand tucked into his big one. I remember that so vividly, reaching up to hold his hand, calloused from the work week, as he guided me through all this new bustle and buzzing. Back then, O.J. Simpson was just a running back, and I screamed hard for the Dolphins to squeeze the Juice. Maybe Mom didn’t want to go or we couldn’t afford more tickets, but I remember that as Dad Time when I look back through a child’s awed eyes. Sports are such a strong glue; bonds us still more than three decades later.

This was back before we had Marlins championships or LeBron James or that hockey team that is always eight points out of the eighth playoff spot. All we had was this magical orange place, and a little park the stretching and jogging New York Yankees would visit for a few weeks before going to play their games that mattered. The Orange Bowl was the biggest, most amazing place I’d ever been. The sound and size, I remember, felt as vast and overwhelming to me as the first time I entered Disney World. Kids want to be astronauts and super heroes, but I knew right then, hand tucked inside my father’s, that I wanted to spend my life around games.

I went back with Dad this week to tour the new place, and you can already see how another generation of kids will fall in love here soon enough. We put on construction hats, yellow vests and protective glasses and walked over wires and around sparks, marveling at the size and promise of tomorrow while amazed by how fast yesterday went. There are a lot of stairs, so many, and the elevators don’t work yet, so I put my hand on Dad’s elbow to steady him as we climbed, but he shooed me away . So proud. So stubborn. Wouldn’t even put a hand on the railing just to show me he didn’t need the help. OK, Papi. I’m happy that you are still so strong, but I worry, you know?

Home plate is the only part of the diamond that is in place, surrounded by orange fencing to give you a baseball perspective amid all the dirt and strewn metal.

“I think we sat over there in the Orange Bowl,” my father said, pointing high to what soon will be the area north of left field.

They were very bad seats, I can see now, but I don’t remember them that way.

More than 800 construction workers are here daily, six days a week, but you can’t see them because the place is so cavernous and so many of them are working in the bowels. You notice the size of the army only when the lunch trucks come. Such a massive project. Fifteen million dollars is going to just furniture and fixtures. Team president David Samson, an obsessive-compulsive insomniac, is so consumed with every detail that he will sit in every seat himself just to make sure there are no obstructed views or uncomfortable spots.

Even the view from deep center field, tucked between home plate and downtown Miami’s skyline, is breathtaking. It’ll be quite a bit different than the antiseptic, antiquated mausoleum where the Marlins play now.

Timing a key factor

It is an odd time to finance and celebrate this, of course, in our broke city as the mayor is recalled and the county manager resigns. A gaudy $500 million project in ragged Little Havana now is only slightly less strange than stacking the $500 million there one dollar at a time. But up it goes a little more every day, men walking perilously with hands and feet on thin beams way up there on the still-under-construction roof, tied to wires and a job many of us would not ever want.

My parents, fleeing communism, stronger than I’ll ever be, sacrificing so much so that I would never have to, came to this country with no money and no English to build step by step, just like those men way up there, but they did not have helpful wires tied to their waists.

Got a letter from a kid this week, an old soccer teammate I haven’t seen in 30 years. It was about my Dad. I try to live with gratitude, but I forget sometimes. Then this helpful reminder from three decades ago arrives, from a kid my father helped shape through sports with something as simple and as complicated as love, and it makes my eyes water.

My father used to be consumed with work. He’d come to my baseball games in a hurry and in a tie, and I’d strike out a lot, and he would get mad. Mom pulled him aside. I can teach him a lot, she said, but I can’t teach him how to be a man. And from then on, in every one of the sports photos from my childhood at Miramar Optimist, the head coach you’ll see standing in the back is always Dad.

Father figure to all

He helped so many kids who didn’t have fathers, taught so many of them how to be men. I remember two brothers having it so rough at home that my parents sat me down and asked how I would feel if we adopted them. And now this kid from 30 years ago writes, thanking my Dad still, so grateful all these years later that he could simply be around a man sometimes that I got the blessing of being around all the time.

I can’t make the argument on behalf of building a new stadium in our broken city and feel like it is good or right, not when those tourist dollars could go to so many other places of need. The only argument to be made is emotional, not practical. So I put my arm around my Dad as we left the new stadium this week, and I thanked him for introducing me to this world. He is not an expressive or emotional man.

“That was nice,” he said as we left.

Yeah, it was.

I don’t know what this place will be worth to you or angry taxpayers or people who don’t care about sports.

All I can tell you is how much value it holds for me.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/...-even-finished-yet-florida.html#ixzz1HHtjKW4x
 
Daffy do you think building the stadium down in Miami was a good idea? The majority of the people attending the games at pro player are white Americans from Broward. Now they got to go all the way down to Miami. Don't you think this is going to affect attendance?
 
Daffy do you think building the stadium down in Miami was a good idea? The majority of the people attending the games at pro player are white Americans from Broward. Now they got to go all the way down to Miami. Don't you think this is going to affect attendance?


It was Miami or lose the team. The Broward politicos made it very clear they wanted nothing to do with a stadium. The Marlins ownership tried to get a deal done in Broward.

If I'm not mistaken, the belief that most of the people attending games reside in Broward is false.

Also, don't forget about all the people who live south of Miami that will now attend games because the stadium is closer to them.

At the end of the day, the team will now have a living, breathing baseball facility to play in. Not some dinosaur 70K seat football stadium with really bad food.

I'm optimistic but only time will tell.
 
From watching Phillies games played there, the place was a shithole. Even if all the people attending the game were from Broward, the place looked like it was always empty anyway so the Marlins will need a lot more fans coming than just counting on those people.

If the club makes sure it's a safe place to arrive and leave from then the Marlins shouldn't have a problem. But why doean't Tampa Bay draw well either as good as they are? Florida teams seem to have too many residents from other states that still love their native town teams.

If Miami is predominately Cuban then possibly the Marlins should grab hold of them to make them feel like this is their team? If it means the stadium announcer speaking in Spanish, then so be it! :yes:
 
I did not know they were building a stadium. I didnt think anyone went to the games anyway.

The attendance has been mostly very poor but the new stadium offers things that could change that:

A retractable roof. In South Florida in the summer there is a constant threat of rain/lightning in the late afternoon/early evening. This makes it really difficult to commit to attending a game for a lot of people. A retractable roof also eliminates the problem of suffocating heat/humidity. It will be a temperature controlled event.

The new stadium is also being made for baseball and not football. This means a capacity of roughly 35K as opposed to 70K. A baseball game will always look empty (unless it's a playoff game) if it's played in a stadium that holds 70K people.

The new stadium will also have an open concourse (think Turner Field in Atlanta) that will have bars and restaurants. Were talking major clicks above the amenities that were provided at Dolphins Stadium.

Games will now be an event not a baseball game being played in a swampy, football atmosphere.

There is hope.
 
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Has a company committed for the name rights?

Here is the 6 possible candidates a guy wrote about as far back as 2009. No. 1 being the most likely one!

No. 6: Norwegian Cruise Lines

Miami is a hot bed of travel and the bill for the stadium is being paid for with hotel bed taxes. NCL is one of three major players on the Port of Miami, and have a headquarters not too far from the stadium in a high visibility location along the highway.

Unfortunately, they lack the capital, and most likely the interest to invest. There are also competing cruise lines that are better fits, that will appear later on this list.

One feature of the stadium though, with NCL's sponsorship, would be a Houston-esque cruise liner that travels across the Miami Skyline in left field every time a home run is lifted out by the home team. The name would likely lack creativity, as do their ship names, and would simply feature NCL; most likely Norwegian Cruise Lines Stadium.

That is no fun.

No. 5: (Insert In-Bev Competitor Here)

With the former Anheuser Busch making a play in S. FLA, a competitor may have to join the fight. Coors is an option here, though they are already occupied in Colorado, most likely ruling them out. The same goes for Miller Brewing Company, hurting their chances.

The largest American owned brewery, Samuel Adams, most likely does not have the capital or cash, and America's Oldest brewery, Yuengling, is based in Pennsylvania and would also have capital issues.

Popular imports could factor in here, such as Corona or Heineken, who have heavy in-roads on Miami Beach. Likely, neither are an option, and this is nothing more than a competitive bid. Of course, they could take over the beach section that Budweiser has at Dolphin Stadium, and the roof could be made to look like a giant lime—right? Most likely not.

No. 4: Bacardi Rums

Though a Puerto Rican company, Bacardi has headquarters situated on Biscayne Boulevard in the design district of Miami, as well as a museum located across the street.

Needless to say, a large portion of the demographics in the area support the company already, with UM being the No. 1 party school and the Puerto Rican population, never mind a little thing called South Beach.

Bacardi definitely has the money, but do they have the interest? They are letting a different alcohol company sponsor a stadium in which they have party areas, and they have shown a lack of interest in thoroughly being involved in the community.

But what if? Bacardi would likely name the stadium with its namesake as well. However, they have some room for creativity with their diverse liquor offerings. Bacardi Limon Bowl and Bacardi Orange Bowl are certainly local-pleasing options.

The stadium could also feature Rum stations (as JRS has), or perhaps Bud Beach, a feature of JRS, could become Bacardi Beach in the outfield.

No. 3: Carnival Cruise Lines

The second of the cruise lines to be featured on the short list, Carnival is also headquartered on the same section of highway as NCL. Technically the world's largest cruise line, when considering the other brands it owns and operates, CCL definitely has the capital to participate in bidding.

Fortunately for fellow bidders, Carnival is already heavily invested in local sponsorship and promotions, not to mention a performing arts center bearing its namesake in downtown Miami, just off of Route 395 to South Beach.

A Carnival stadium could also feature the moving ship in left field, and could expand it to have the trademark air horn and smoke stack appear in the stadium. Also popular on its ships are giant video screens (check in baseball stadiums) and water slides, which Milwaukee shows us are very doable.

CCL has a history of stealing names from competitor Royal Caribbean, so expect the stadium to do the same—The Oasis and Allure would be to popular options to twist in there.

No. 2: Burger King

The All-American burger joint could certainly be a major player. The fast food joint would be the first of its kind to sponsor a major stadium, to my knowledge. Unfortunately, BK is known as the home of the Whopper, and the stadium is set to be a pitchers ballpark.

Burger King is headquartered about five miles from where the stadium is being built and definitely has the capital, so it cannot be discounted. Having naming rights would also include having restaurant space in the stadium, which could be quite valuable to the company.

A kid's park in the stadium, similar to Coke's in San Francisco, would have to happen. A children's play area is a token at each restaurant and would be a highlight off the field. Sandwich the skyline view in left field with buns (burger buns), and you have your quirky stadium highlight.

Won/No. 1: Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines

As already discussed, cruise lines are perfectly positioned to sponsor this stadium. RCL, however, is the best positioned. It is the second largest cruise line in the world in terms of ship count, features the world's largest ships, and the world's most innovative ships. More importantly, Carnival has beat the crap out of it in terms of local visibility.

Royal Caribbean can make a huge play here, leveraging its relationships with Nickelodeon, MGM, DUBAILAND, Seattle's Best Coffee, and more. It also would certainly have the funding and the local connections.

Stadium quirks are plentiful for the cruise line, as they can tie them right in with the innovative ideas and firsts feature on the ships. The air horn and cruise liner in the outfield are just the beginning. A carousel and zip line will be featured on the new Oasis class ships, and they can liter the outfield here.

RCL is known for its on board rock climbing walls and ice skating rinks, both possibilities in the stadium complex. The food court would not be known as such; it would be the Royal Promenade Food Court, and, by the way, what is a cruise vacation without a buffet?


Also after 2011, they will be known as the Miami Marlins with new uniforms and logo. Good move IMO going with city pride.

Bacardi Park!!! Nice! Could you see the booze menu with all the drink possibilities containing rum?