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NFL, what we had was good while it lasted

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Boner_18
It is right. Unless you're not a capitalist, businesses exist to make money. Only under very limited circumstances in a free market capitalist society should a business not try to make money as its primary goal.
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Not to be an asshole but over 20 trillion in the hole is kinda telling me that the ideology behind those lines of thought is not exactly working well for you, now is it?

So, in a hypothetical scenario, let's agree and say that this is ok. My question then becomes where does it stop if the continual erosion of personal freedoms is so seemingly in current fashion?

Interested to hear peoples take on this... :popcorn:
 
20 trillion in the hole? If you're referring to the United States budget deficit that has little to do with free market capitalism - and even less to do with a measure of success of an economical model. But this is off topic.

Allowing a corporation to make the decision to prohibit employees actions IS supporting personal freedom. The corporation itself has a ideological viewpoint.

Let me ask you, would you support NFL players (or bank employees, or fast food workers, etc) who want to wear swastika arm bands at work? In other words, is it the freedom of expression you support, or the particular cause in this case?
 
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Not to be an asshole but over 20 trillion in the hole is kinda telling me that the ideology behind those lines of thought is not exactly working well for you, now is it?

So, in a hypothetical scenario, let's agree and say that this is ok. My question then becomes where does it stop if the continual erosion of personal freedoms is so seemingly in current fashion?

Interested to hear peoples take on this... :popcorn:
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It stops where we live under total corporate tyranny, yet pretend we have some democratic say in something, and preach these so called values to others. ...Pretty much where we are
 
Boner_18
20 trillion in the hole? If you're referring to the United States budget deficit that has little to do with free market capitalism - and even less to do with a measure of success of an economical model. But this is off topic.

Allowing a corporation to make the decision to prohibit employees actions IS supporting personal freedom. The corporation itself has a ideological viewpoint.

Let me ask you, would you support NFL players (or bank employees, or fast food workers, etc) who want to wear swastika arm bands at work? In other words, is it the freedom of expression you support, or the particular cause in this case?[/QUOTE]

At some point we have to think that it is not about right of expressing opinion, but what that opinion is, and what kind of culture to create/support/accept. After all, I'm sure people upset about the anthem thing, are upset that these guys seem to be pissing on our patriotic values and sense of self worth, not because they're infringing on the corporate rights of the NFL
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I respectfully disagree Reno. Curated speech/expression (whatever the viewpoint) is deleterious to a productive and healthy society.

Respect for free expression requires that private citizens like the NFL be allowed to control the expression within thier private sphere - both the content and manner. A restaurant owner should be allowed to remove an employee or a patron screaming about racial equality in the interest of furthering his business interest - we all agree with the message but we respect the busienss owners right to control his business as he sees fit so long as it doesn't impinge on a fundamental right (e.g. we agree he can't NOT hire blacks just because they are black).

This is not about free expression - and if it is then you're crazy. No one should be able to express themselves freely, even if the message is one 99% of people agree with, while employed by a private corporation unless that corporation acquiesces to that expression on the job.

If the NFL said - we want to allow players to act however they want during the anthem - I would equally support their ability to do that (especially if it was driven by profit motive). I don't agree with the message, the method or the effectiveness to the cause in this case but the fact of the matter is this is akin to you waking into a Chase bank doing your busienss and the teller saying, "Thanks for baking with Chase, have a great day and fuck the police!" (Or "hail satan" or "kill whitey" or "choose dogs not cats" or "eat gluten free" or "tip your waitress" or "stop the war on drugs"....). I LIKE that Chase bank (or Boner's Business, LLC or Reno's Red Emporium) can tell their employees to stop saying any of those things. If I don't like it as a customer I can shop somewhere else. And if the employees don't like being told not to say it they can get a job where they can or go scream those things at people on the sidewalk.
 
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Boner_18
20 trillion in the hole? If you're referring to the United States budget deficit that has little to do with free market capitalism - and even less to do with a measure of success of an economical model. But this is off topic.

Allowing a corporation to make the decision to prohibit employees actions IS supporting personal freedom. The corporation itself has a ideological viewpoint.

Let me ask you, would you support NFL players (or bank employees, or fast food workers, etc) who want to wear swastika arm bands at work? In other words, is it the freedom of expression you support, or the particular cause in this case?
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Starts around the 15minite mark but the entire video is worth the watch

Basically you can rationalize anything if it suits your narrative and you've been trained by the market to be of sociopathic amoral character...
 
Boner_18
I LIKE that Chase bank (or Boner's Business, LLC or Reno's Red Emporium) can tell their employees to stop saying any of those things. If I don't like it as a customer I can shop somewhere else. And if the employees don't like being told not to say it they can get a job where they can or go scream those things at people on the sidewalk.
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Problem here is the decent people will quickly run out of options, get marginalized, imprisoned, ie eliminated. Does the public want corporations and whatever private entities deciding what's acceptable? It is certainly the furthest thing from democracy.

...But ultimately the debate here is not whether the nfl should be prohibited by law from instituting whatever policy, it's whether we would like them better if they did
 
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