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IAG
But regardless, it should be funded by the private sector, as should most charity.
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I know I've said this to you before, but I'd really like for you to spend a little time in countries where the needy are only looked after by charities, without government support. I think you'd come back with a different position. There is not nearly enough charity in this world to get the job done.
 
MrX
I know I've said this to you before, but I'd really like for you to spend a little time in countries where the needy are only looked after by charities, without government support. I think you'd come back with a different position. There is not nearly enough charity in this world to get the job done.
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I guess I wasn't necessarily speaking to caring for persons of 3rd world countries, or any countries other than the U.S. Are you referring to government support from the local government or foreign aid?
 
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MrX
I know I've said this to you before, but I'd really like for you to spend a little time in countries where the needy are only looked after by charities, without government support. I think you'd come back with a different position. There is not nearly enough charity in this world to get the job done.
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What is the common denomination with these countries - rogue governments. What should our role be? If we (G7 countries) donate money, time, and resources, they we are looked upon as bettering our interests. If we do nothing, they starve.
 
MrX
Everything. The whole charity over social programs argument.
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I've read much more goes to the needy thru private programs than tax dollars, much more, but I won't debate that argument because I don't know enough about it. Did you read about Canada's private sponsorship of refugee deal? I am sure that just supplements government programs, but it seems feasible to me.


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FairWarning
What is the common denomination with these countries - rogue governments. What should our role be? If we (G7 countries) donate money, time, and resources, they we are looked upon as bettering our interests. If we do nothing, they starve.
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We're talking about different things. I was arguing against the notion that the needy in any particular country, specifically ours, should be cared for by charities instead of government-run social programs.

And if you go to stable countries that don't have much in the way of social programs and watch the charities try to cover the needs, it's not pretty. It wouldn't be pretty, here, either.
 
IAG
I've read much more goes to the needy thru private programs than tax dollars, much more, but I won't debate that argument because I don't know enough about it.
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I'm not sure if you're talking locally, or world-wide. World-wide wouldn't surprise me, so many live in regions with no government support, and only charities to help. But knowing what those conditions are like, that obviously wouldn't be an argument against social programs.

If you look at the poor in this country, I don't see how it's possible that they're receiving more through private programs than public assistance, though it's possible that I'm overlooking something.
 
Pretty sure the 605 would be ok, but Cali...maybe not so much.


I'm not saying that they are getting more gross money, but that more of each dollar from private donations goes directly to the poor than tax dollars which have huge overhead.
 
IAG
Pretty sure the 605 would be ok, but Cali...maybe not so much.


I'm not saying that they are getting more gross money, but that more of each dollar from private donations goes directly to the poor than tax dollars which have huge overhead.
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That depends on the charity. Some charities are absolutely horrendous at spending their donations on programs that help the people they are supposed to. They can be much worse than government.

A charity like Wounded Warrior Project only spends about 59% of donations to help veterans. And that's not even one of the worst offenders.

This is a pretty good site if you're considering donating to a charity: http://www.charitynavigator.org/
 
RogueJuror
In the late 70s the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society(HIAS) of the US helped this little refugee boy named Sergey Brin, whose family was being discriminated and persecuted because of their religion, resettled in the US. While in university at Stanford in the 90s he went on to found this little company by the name of Google, now worth $527 billion dollars employing 55,000 people.


HIAS now. http://www.hias.org/faq-hias-response-refugee-crisis-europe
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This guy probably came on my same boat. That's a very loose definition of refugee. And he was about as persecuted as the rest of the Jews and "intelligentsia" who shag assed their way over here in the late 70's. Which is to say none.
 
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