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Indeed I was, MrMonkey. I was like the head honcho of altar boys where I grew up. When the bishop would come to town or it'd be time to ordain a new deacon, they'd always call me. I ended up doing a bunch of weddings too because I didn't mind taking over the cantor's job of singing the necessary parts of the Mass. I even served a few Masses once I went away to college, just as a way to lessen the trauma of leaving home so young by keeping familiar elements in my life.

I served with at least two very gay priests during my tenure, but never experienced any overtures towards abuse or any unhealthy interests in my life. Overall it was the best part of my childhood, even leading me to enroll in a seminary weeks after graduating at Oregon State. I felt religious life combined all of my favorite parts of life: pageantry, oratory, music, hierarchy and drama. It wasn't until a full semester at the seminary that I realized that the priesthood is still very much a cover for many people who simply don't have the psychological tools to deal with ordinary life. Let's face it, if you insist on at least a pretense of celibacy, you're only going to appeal to the truly twisted or those running away from their own demons.
 
RS, reading your post wondering if the number of priests that are gay seems high is cause some joined the priesthood knowing that could be isolated in that type of life from society? Knowing being a priest they didn't have to feel the pressures of doing the so called normal thing of marrying or being with women? If your a priest, your not allowed to?
 
Your post hits on a very real issue for the church, MrMonkey, and I think you could go so far as to say that most, not just some, are attracted to a position which allows them to be respected in their community without the pressure of normal heterosexual expectations. In my experience at the seminary, it was an obvious mix of thirds (which I found at the time to be an entertaining correlation to the Holy Trinity):

One-third guys who were truly spiritual and likely heterosexual by nature, attracted to a life of quiet contemplation and emotional/pastoral service (The Helpers)

One-third guys who were running away from some aspect of themselves, dealing with personal trauma, or desperate to feel a sense of belonging at any cost. These are the guys which made me the most uneasy, and left me with the greatest reservations about the screening process for the priesthood. These people obviously needed more guidance than a seminary can give, but if they were found to have adequate social skills, they were admitted anyway, because the need for priests is so great. (The Wack-a-doos)

The final third was my group, guys who had come out as gay or had at least come to that personal realization and had found a way to keep that part of their life wholly separate from their community of faith. Generally straight-acting and not so flamboyant, we were even able to stay sexually active amongst each other while in the seminary. The funny part was how obvious it was that our group represented the guys with real potential to advance in the ministry, because we weren't busy denying ourselves or our true nature; we were getting laid and pursuing something we felt really spoke to our souls, leaving us happy and well-adjusted as a whole. I think if they ever opened a seminary just for this group of people and allowed them to be openly gay, I might just return to those ambitions. I'd have to sidestep the issue of having lost my faith, but until you've been there, you have no idea just how easy that is to fake.
 
Scholar was it common for outsiders or individuals not studying to become priest to come and stay at the seminary for a a short period, a week or so.

I have no interest in being a priest, but I would be open to staying at a seminary for a week or so, and being with my thoughts.

Is that allowed at all.
 
Yeah Tully, it was exceedingly common, to the point where the seminary I was at had built a guest house for people to stay and immerse themselves in the lifestyle. You'd take your meals with the seminarians, pray the Liturgy of the Hours with them (involves waking up at 4AM, not for the faint of heart) and get assigned a priest/professor to help you get in touch with whatever brought you there to begin with. That was how my admissions process started and it was a marvelous experience, like getting to visit another planet almost. There were even some Cistercian monks wandering about, using the library, and their vows of silence only permitted them to communicate with a smile or a bow. It's like nothing you'll ever see in your life, and before you get too deep into it, there's a definite sense of utopia when you're there, just peace and harmony.
 
I sure most think, I am full of shit but that sounds really nice Scholar.

My life has hectic lately and I miss those quite times. I am going to have to look into this. Is it expensive, I sure that expect some kind of donation or is there a standard fee?

Thanks
 
RogueJuror
Rogie asian religions have never interested you? Like all those hindi religions.
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I have read a few books on Buddhism, I even catered a Buddhist retreat once.

I grew up Irish Catholic, and did my communion and all, I just dont go to church regularly. I have been doing some family history recently and I am just interesting in learning more about Catholicism. I am just trying to get some better understanding of who I am and who I want to be.
 
Tully - Yeah, they typically ask for a donation, around $400 for the standard eight day retreat where I was, but considering you get the equivalent of a private hotel room with private bath and three hot meals a day, it's probably one of the cheapest ways to spend a week away from home. Weekends were like $150. I can speak from experience that around Day Three the peace and quiet will start to annoy you, and by Day Five you will be unable to ignore the shit in your mind that is screaming to be dealt with and understood.

The only expectation is that you abide by the rules of whatever house/community you visit, and beyond that your time is your own. The only caveat is not to think of it as a vacation, because if you truly immerse yourself in their environment, you will be forced to confront some issues before it's over. This is one place that might offer what you're looking for:

http://www.omvusa.org/mission/omv-houses/st-joseph-retreat-house/


Juror- As I've stopped going to church this year, it more clearly defined the fact that I wasn't really there for the spirituality part, I just wanted a way to be in a position of service to people. I can't say I've spent much time thinking about God or the Universe lately, being content simply to focus on myself and the people around me. I think the religious part was just a common experience that was used to reach out to people, and when you strip away the nonsense, you realize that the reaching out was the only part that mattered in the first place. I have a lot of respect for religion, but I don't think any of them ever interested me, I just stuck with Catholicism because it was a familiar framework in which to operate. Asian religions offer a more individual path to enlightenment, but it's still not unique enough to compete with the path I'm finding for myself now.
 
RogueScholar
See, here's the thing Archie. At least I've got the backbone to attach this one handle to everything I post. If I say it, I own it. I'm not using 3 points ghosts and 3 chat ghosts in order to spend all-day everyday participating on forums without the appearance that I'm there all day, and yet you feel comfortable throwing stones and calling others shut-ins and socially awkward. Was it social awkwardness, lack of things to do or just pure greed that led you to points scamming in the first place? You can criticize how I live my life and how I choose to post because I put it all out there under one heading. Maybe if you could find your way back to that, it'd be fair to criticize others again.

BTW, you forgot the stalking of you that I did to help Herman collect on that bet you made with him. Imagine my surprise when you didn't turn out to be operating a non-profit to redevelop your neighborhood but rather just a lowly administrative assistant at some run-down inner city church. It certainly explained a few things, don't you think? While we're on the topic of stalking Herman though, I have to tip my hat on the Zack Hample article. I found his parents business, Bread wrote a hilarious rap about him (great shit in the PZ from that era), but it took your super-sleuth skills to dig up something that would truly get under his skin.

Do you really wanna go down this road?
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wow, there is alot there to unpack!!! I'm not sure why my bumps got you all itchy and aggravated in your internet panties... but here goes

this will be boring, but I should correct some things here.

first off, remember I didn't start the criticism of posting, you did. I was merely pointing out to you that my posting style and bumping has enabled you to post your verbose prose in many dramatic threads. If you don't want me bumping them, don't post in them its pretty simple.

I didn't say it was good or bad, or try to change your posting style like you did mine. If I offended you or was off on my assessment.... my bad

please refer to the I am a dick thread I started for the all purpose apology to everyone.

I wasn't throwing stones calling you a shut in? haven't you often called yourself a shut in? am I wrong in calling you a shut in? might have been off on the socially awkward part. I'm kinda going on Blitty's observations there. I shouldn't assume things.


Points scamming? well that is myth created by Herman based on a chat we had and I was pulling his chain.

reality is, all my ghosts were created BEFORE the points system started.... I did them to be a little asshole and break up the boredom. Ghosts are great, everyone loves them. fun to figure out who is behind them.
only ghost created after points, was jimmerjammer......made with the aid of fischnasty to sniff out Sammy's little booking operation and get him banned.

the real truth with my sbr banning, is i made fun of john's wife. got let back in accidently due to a computer glitch, and he couldn't do anything about it. demanded a public apology. I didn't give it.

I then got chucked during my vacation, because one morning I logged in and transferred some points to the sportsbook. and suddenly my points doubled. I did it again, they doubled again. I made my bet or whatever and moved on.

later I bought some free plays with the thousands of points I had honestly accumulated. and John chucked me. He said, it would have been okay had I lost the 30 points back to the casino, but since I used them in a purchase.. bye bye. oh well

Stalking? nah not really. just regular forum stuff. The foul balls thing??? I actually read herman's name in the back of a real sports illustrated hard copy. Laughed it off as a coincidence and a few days looked it up on the net real fast and posted it.

I really had no idea that was really him, until he admitted it. Then I just searched that dudes name, found his site found herman. voila... easy stalking.

I hope you didn't tell him about finding his parent's business. that is REAL good stalking. is that why he stopped posting? did it all get to real between me finding that and you finding his parents?

as for stalking me, you shouldn't pat yourself on the back so much. I've always talked about this church. I've been going here since I moved here. The church is in a building I bought. I do lots of stuff for them, and with the mentoring I was doing through other groups for kids. they wanted to make me a youth pastor. but their denomenation or the pastor doesn't believe in that title. I was already doing all their financial stuff, so I said make me your secretary. I'm proud of it in fact. I like the humbleness of it. it fits into my lifestyle changes when I moved here. I have about 10 other job titles with other entities. but i'm most proud of that.


See after getting fed up with my Psychologist work In PA ( oddly enough I worked with the same places that inthehole worked for)

I took the money I made from real-estate and moved to Chicago to volunteer for a year for free. Invested here, settled in used my talents in new and creative ways. If you wanna stalk me fully you can prob find more of my job titles at places like YMEN, Christian Community Development Association, CCA Academy, Academy bakery, Chicago Westside Christian Association, Von Humboldt Elementary school, Chicago Westside Christian School, MIssion Year, I mean hell I used to post about the Church and made videos of the church all the time on SBR. Not sure why you felt the need to stalk me for that info.

Anywho, like I said pretty boring stuff my life is. I think you'd love my church though. you wouldn't think it was beat down if you visited it and met the people and Pastor Wolff.

well anyways, let me know when it is fair for me to be a critic of those who critique me... Like I said, I didn't start down this road, you did. I don't know where it goes.

some posters can just dismiss situations like this and say "I DON'T GIVE A FUCK" or I don't care what you think. But to be honest, Pete, I think you are an interesting dude that is kind hearted. So I do care a bit if you see me as some evil guy.... maybe I am.... I don't know... why were you stalking me again?

but if breaking down your posts to essentially 70% drama threads 20% tennis/sports/life threads and 10% stalking herman's butt hole threads makes me a douche. I guess I am.


but when it all comes down to it Bread's here for the pussy
you're hear for the drama, tennis, and dick
Steve's here for the attention
Plommer is here to maybe see my gf's snatch pics
monkeyfocker is here for arguments and place to pissy
nina is here for toliet paper roll pics
Amby was here for debating shit
Matty is here to make Wally's life miserable
i'm here for sports, drama, gambling, points, and entertainment.

maybe i'll try to make a few people happy with a toliet roll around my wee wee picture today.

Hopefully I can do it without a backbone

what road are we going done now? where does it end? I love exploring!!!

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

you can't touch my cock or my arms and Don't touch my asshole Bro
 
I'd love to say I didn't read all of that, but I did. In summary, you rub me the wrong way, pal. At some point you stopped being yourself and just started posting/chatting complete noise, anything to get some attention regardless of the current conversation(s). When you first showed up I was quite fond of you, but as the novelty of your presence wore off you just kept working harder and harder to retain it, and that's where the distaste began.

I get my satisfaction out of articulating my thoughts, regardless of how they're received or by how many people. You seem to get your satisfaction solely from the response/reaction to what you do. That's what annoys me and it's why I compared you to Raiders, who has ended up doing the exact same thing after a couple years as a halfway decent poster almost 10 years ago. Take it for what it's worth, and save the life stories for someone who cares. Just look at your post history, both here and across the street, and tell me there isn't a huge lack of substance after the initial appearance on the scene. EOM.
 
well why all the other incorrect noise then?

if you don't like me.... FINE.

there are tons of real people, people on tv, and posters I downright hate....

nothing wrong with that.

I'm sorry that my "criticisms" get under your skin so much to warrant threats of stalkings or whatever....

i'll keep doing my thing, you keep doing yours.

again, sorry I didn't meet up to the standards or your posting rules. or that I didn't meet up to standards of your first impressions of me.

humans are dynamic, complex, and mysterious and not always easily encapsulated by first impressions from sbr posts.

i'm still not here for the Pussy, twinks or dick..... unless its pimike's dick. I'd pay to see his schlong
 
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