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I started liking Ovechkin a lot more last season when I saw him live. I made a point to watch the warm ups. He seemed like a real leader(?), seemed very balanced and spend a lot of time stretching and passing, hardly shooting at all.

He seems to score half of Washington's goals.

But I can't put him in the category of truly fabulous players like Larionov or even Fedorov. He's shooting is probably the best I ever saw, but the creativity of the game flow (which to me is the most exciting thing about hockey) he doesn't much do it.
 
Matty
In 1983-84, the year the Oilers scored 446 goals, 14 teams scored over 300 goals.

Last year, the highest-scoring team, Tampa Bay, had 262 goals.

You saying that Gretzky made all teams play balls-out offense? But then what happened in the 90's? (The trap happened. Gretzky was still dominating the league, just not at a 200-point-a-season clip.)
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The trap is /was the direct result of expansion. Not enough talent available. Players were rushed after their draft years. The only way the inferior teams could compete was to play the trap.
 
As this is the hockey thread, and not just the NHL thread, how bout them Flint Firebirds of the OHL? As I understand it, the chain of events was this.

- Flint wins a comeback O/T victory last night against defending OHL champions Oshawa. Big victory for the expansion franchise.

- Flint's owner fires the entire coaching staff because his son is on the team and the owner sez he isn't getting enough playing time.

- the entire team (including said son), go to the front office, throw their jerseys on the table, and quit.

And that's where we stand as we speak.



Well isn't that a fine how-do-you-do?
 
Mudcat
Primary cause of it, yep. Teams imitate success. The Oilers were success. It was an phenomenal assemblage and many guys contributed - but Gretzky was primary.

But yep, it didn't last forever.
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that does not suggest that Matty's point is invalid. (he still benefited from a less defense minded game)

anyway, NHL becoming high scoring for a while had more to do with the geniuses (coaches etc) becoming more aware and learning from European (mainly Soviet) hockey.
 
FairWarning
The coaches in the 80's taught thugs how to score? I think just maybe they sought out players who could score instead.
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style and strategy. in the 90's when shitty team's coaches figured out the can level the field by playing a defense minded game, ie trap, they went with that. It's primarily still true today. We are robbed of great offensive hockey because the primary thinking is defensive.
 
Mudcat
Primary cause of it, yep. Teams imitate success. The Oilers were success. It was an phenomenal assemblage and many guys contributed - but Gretzky was primary.

But yep, it didn't last forever.
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Gretzky was the primary reason that 14 other teams scored over 300 goals, because they were imitating him?

Makes sense.

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The 3 on 3 overtime thing is so cool! The shootout should be removed and add 5 minutes to OT if need be! Hockey is one sport that has constant/moving action with few stoppages that IMO a shootout is anticlimactic!

I need a hockey expert here to find out so far this year the stat showing the % of games that went into overtime that didn't require a shootout?
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Matty
I don't like the 3-on-3, seems even more gimmicky than a shootout.
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Haven't seen enough but appears to be wide open play! I mean with the shootout you could dress 19 players and then have someone like this appear for the shootout as a specialist .....

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..... thinking I guess from a fan of the Flyers perspective! Wonder what their 3 on 3 + shootout record is this year! :dunno:
 
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