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Doing expense report today and was going thru grocery receipts. Somehow a grocery receipt not belonging to me ended up in my pile. Out of curiousity I looked at it to see what some random person bought to eat.

2 100 calorie pre packaged foods (almonds and sea salt something or other ..both $3.99)

Organic chicken breast
4.99'
Mrs Dash Garlic lime $3.49
Lemon herb peppercorn $3.49

Frozen Cod $8.49

among other items. The kicker is I look down and see it says "tax forgiven $2.33," so I look further and see it was all paid for by food stamps.

Now I'm not one to deny truly down and out people a means to feed themselves and their families, but what happened to bread and cheese? Pisses me off that I'm paying for someone to eat organic food and overpriced convenient 100 calorie packs of ANYTHING. And spices?

Didn't there used to be regulations on what kind of foodstuffs could be bought with food stamps? This person is eating better than many of my friends I know who are working. I'm sure this has probably been discussed here before but this just baffles me and makes me very very angry.

That is all.
 
FairWarning
I'll call em out all day. I bust my ass to make 50K while my friend gets 99 weeks of unemployment because he's entitled to it.
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Oh I hear you pal and I know it can be frustrating but the dollar amounts involved that are given to the poor are dwarfed by what the rich receive in terms of subsidies/tax breaks tax evasion etc and we always vent at the less fortunate.

Time to start hating on the rich, not the poor.
 
plommer
Oh I hear you pal and I know it can be frustrating but the dollar amounts involved that are given to the poor are dwarfed by what the rich receive in terms of subsidies/tax breaks tax evasion etc and we always vent at the less fortunate.

Time to start hating on the rich, not the poor.
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What is the rich that we are hating on, the 1%? Unfortunately that will never change. A prime example of abuse are people buying meat for their pets because pet food isn't covered. I also realize the rich get richer (like the CEO of YUM) to get KFC on the Snap program.
 
FairWarning
What is the rich that we are hating on, the 1%? Unfortunately that will never change. A prime example of abuse are people buying meat for their pets because pet food isn't covered. I also realize the rich get richer (like the CEO of YUM) to get KFC on the Snap program.
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I just think the anger over some poor schlep buying (healthy) frozen fish on food stamps is silly. Poor people gotta eat, the US has more than enough for everyone but the system is all one big pyramid scheme where the money always flows to the top and working stiffs end up paying for it all.

To suggest changes to the system is met with claims of communism/socialism. Capitalism creates winners and losers and the losers get food stamps, let them eat KFC for fucks sake.


Hey pal, when will you be in Windsor?
 
Sounds like the person wants to eat a healthy meal so she can look good and get a job so she won't have to depend on food stamps. If she keeps buying bread and cheese she will always be on food stamps and she is making a hugh efford to stop depending of them.
 
plommer
I just think the anger over some poor schlep buying (healthy) frozen fish on food stamps is silly. Poor people gotta eat, the US has more than enough for everyone but the system is all one big pyramid scheme where the money always flows to the top and working stiffs end up paying for it all.

To suggest changes to the system is met with claims of communism/socialism. Capitalism creates winners and losers and the losers get food stamps, let them eat KFC for fucks sake.


Hey pal, when will you be in Windsor?
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I guess i see it a lot. I can go to 5 accounts tomorrow and buy Snap Cards for 50 cents on the dollar. Its people bilking the system for the cash. Those are not really needy people doing that.

After the holidays, we will get together for sure.
 
Saulty
Sounds like the person wants to eat a healthy meal so she can look good and get a job so she won't have to depend on food stamps. If she keeps buying bread and cheese she will always be on food stamps and she is making a hugh efford to stop depending of them.
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I wasn't really suggesting they be limited to bread and cheese. I'm all for a healthy meal, but waste is waste and those 100 calorie packs are absolutely wasteful. ...and Red Bull? KFC? 7-11 nachos?

FairWarning
I guess i see it a lot. I can go to 5 accounts tomorrow and buy Snap Cards for 50 cents on the dollar. Its people bilking the system for the cash. Those are not really needy people doing that.

After the holidays, we will get together for sure.
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That is my biggest problem. I don't know if you guys really realize the amount of abuse that goes on with those programs. I have seen people with iphones and jaguars using them. I have seen them sold for .50 on the dollar for drugs. Especially now that they use a card, people are not afraid to wheel and deal and the amount of misuse is crazy. I know that is a separate issue from the original point of this thread, but just like unemployment here, people take advantage of a system designed to help them and it's frustrating to watch. I guess you have to see it in play to really appreciate how ridiculous it is.
 
FairWarning
I guess i see it a lot. I can go to 5 accounts tomorrow and buy Snap Cards for 50 cents on the dollar. Its people bilking the system for the cash. Those are not really needy people doing that.

After the holidays, we will get together for sure.
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Yes, addiction plays a big part when it comes to misuse/fraud.

If people had enough they wouldn't need to bilk the system for cash, these people are not becoming millionaires with their snap card scams, they are supporting addictions and trying to come up with the cash for other things, necessities perhaps.

With the system I believe it's all tied together, corporations run the show.
Been arrested? No job for you! Have poor credit? Yeah they'll hire someone with good credit instead.

I could go on forever but I'm too lazy to type all that is necessary to make my point and trying to change opinions online is a waste of time, I understand people have different beliefs.

One of my biggest beefs is real estate speculators (specifically in my hometown Toronto) that drive up the price of property so they can make obscene amounts of money, now the poor working schlep has to put in more labour/pay more taxes to be able to buy that property, the home he needs for his family to live in.
 
plommer
Yes, addiction plays a big part when it comes to misuse/fraud.

If people had enough they wouldn't need to bilk the system for cash, these people are not becoming millionaires with their snap card scams, they are supporting addictions and trying to come up with the cash for other things, necessities perhaps.

With the system I believe it's all tied together, corporations run the show.
Been arrested? No job for you! Have poor credit? Yeah they'll hire someone with good credit instead.

I could go on forever but I'm too lazy to type all that is necessary to make my point and trying to change opinions online is a waste of time, I understand people have different beliefs.

One of my biggest beefs is real estate speculators (specifically in my hometown Toronto) that drive up the price of property so they can make obscene amounts of money, now the poor working schlep has to put in more labour/pay more taxes to be able to buy that property, the home he needs for his family to live in.
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Can you elaborate on your last paragraph? It sounds like It's a Wonderful Life right there ...with Old Man Potter versus the Bailey Bros. I am not sure if I completely understand what you are saying. Your call though...if you don't want to elaborate ..that's fine too. I think I get the general gist of what you are saying.

I am always open to having my mind changed... and there are plenty of intelligent people at GL who might do it. I used to always dig in my heels on an issue, but in recent years take pride in trying to see the other side of an argument, and being more open to changing my mind on things that I thought previously were black/white.
 
I'm for letting the needy eat what they want. It's tough enough out there.

There's fraud potential in almost everything. I'm fine with measures to reduce fraud, but no need to disparage a whole program because some people abuse it. Focus on the abuse.

Abuse and all, we're talking about a program that costs pennies a day to the average taxpayer.
 
IAG
Can you elaborate on your last paragraph?
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Real estate "speculators" "investors" in popular Canadian markets have driven up the price of home ownership.
In order for those profits to be realized the potential homeowner has to pay more for a basic human need, shelter.

So the "investors" contribution to society is making a decision to make more money on the back of the working person who pays taxes and puts in the labour at his job to satisfy the investors greed. The homeowner is the one doing all the contributing, the investor is just taking.

Corporations contribute by demanding more labour for less pay from employees. So that home is even further away from being realized by the homeowner.

There is not enough money in the system to pay back all the debt, how the fuck could that be allowed to happen? Greed.

There is a huge social cost to greed.
 
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