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Vegas Dave
Yes, but stress and sedentary lifestyles aren't extremely contagious. Coronavirus is.

I know this has been asked before, but I'm not sure you ever gave an answer.

What would the mortality rate of a disease have to be for you to think shutting down business as usual indefinitely (until there is a vaccine) was an acceptable idea?

I assume that if the mortality rate of this disease was 100%, ie every single person who gets it dies, you'd be in favor of people staying separated to try not to catch and spread it, right? But at 0.5%-2% of people who get it dying you would rather let this thing spread organically, do it's worst and keep life as we know it going.

So what is your cutoff? What mortality rate would make these quarantine and biz shutdown measures the right move?
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Certainly there is some number. But it also would have to do if complete isolation was possible and effective.
Perhaps 10% if you're convinced it would spread through majority of the population. That would be the point where you might consider desperate measures at any cost. ..absent any better options :dunno: Something that would at least rival the damage to tens of millions caused by shutdowns.

Not sure what your point is regarding contagiousness. Argument is that the contribution to loss of life from stress, stagnation and disruption(although perhaps not as immediate) from staying home,is likely bigger than that of your added risk of dying due to virus from normal activities.
 
vagabond
You don't develop health problems if you lead a sedentary life for a few months. It's not that you are bed-ridden.
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Something that's hard to quantify. But I have no doubt that several months of your life can be very significant for people in various situations and stages of disease. Not to mention effects on long term habits and lifestyle.
 
Tron
Between January and April of 2018, 234,000 Americans died of heart disease.

Shut down McDonalds, boys.



I know, I know. It’s not the same. I’m doing a thing and having fun with actual numbers, though
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I really don’t understand how someone could read these words and think that I was being serious.

I will be more clear about when I’m fucking around next time.
 
MickyD's and Taco Bell are bad on the cholesterol but Five Guys might off the charts! Son turned me onto them and realized why if they ask you if you want a plastic bag over the paper one, you say Yes! GOOD that their are no FG in Venice! MrM doesn't drive 20-25 minutes for this level of food joint!

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vagabond
It's definitely not sarcasm, especially given the position he took on this subject. It's a distraction or an obfuscation.
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Meh, I know Tron wasn’t really trying to equate the two. I think his point was that in this time of intermittent hysteria, we need to appreciate the bigger picture of things. Maybe it’s not sarcasm, but it’s not like he was belittling the coronavirus as much as he was putting it in perspective.
 
vagabond
Edward Snowden's views on mass surveillance and individual rights in the current context (25:00 onwards)

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guy is mostly saying what I've been saying. Mass hysteria as a way of giving up power to the powerful.
...Maybe these guys don't fully appreciate that government is the hand of the powerful, and so are other institutions.Government is a bit imperfect, because the people theoretically have some rights and influence there,
These guys might also be a bit too privileged to understand that a right to make a living is as important as freedom from spying or any other.
And he views the virus in and of itself as an extraordinary event, whereas I see it as a slightly more aggressive flu, strong enough to set the wheels in motion, for a calamity, that some have been planning for a long time. But the gist is the same
 
vagabond
"What's being built is an architecture of oppression."

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good points here too. "the emergency never ends". and about how the systems become automated, decides who gets what etc.. the further it goes it's harder to stop. And that's how realistically we can become subservient to machines.
And ultimately it will work to eliminate classes of unneeded people imo.
We'll be a world of hermits staring at their computers, watching netflix, ordering amazon and grabhub. Who needs to swim, play sports, go outside, meet real people? Besides, viruses out there. If you're not happy working on line or at walmart, there's a nice stone bed at a private prison for you :up
 
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