Cliff Lee To The Phillies

[l7ustin]

so who is the 1,2,3,4??

Halladay,Lee,Oswalt,Hamels?

 

[Archie]

first team to have 3 20 game winners, since the 73 A's?

 

[l7ustin]

what if all 4 of them win 20 games next year?

 

[Archie]

Neither Hamels or Oswalt are legit 20 game winners anymore. I mean one of them could pull it out of their asses..... but I don't see both of them doing it... and keep in mind, that there is ALOT of luck (hitting/fielding dependency kinda luck) in being a 20 game winner. along with not getting injured. Hamels has never done it. Roy hasn't done it in almost 5 years ( I think, without looking)

 

[Polaroid]

id rather have clifton phifer than jayson werth

Naturally, but what you gain in pitching you're going to lose (at least some of that value) in the outfield (and especially so if Raul Ibanez continues to regress).

 

[l7ustin]

maybe but usually hamels is not going against the other teams 4th starter, oswalt is used to being an ace he doesnt get to face 3rd starters in other seasons.

these guys should be better than other teams 3 and 4 which is why them winning 20 games wouldnt be all that surprising

 

[l7ustin]

wow this is unbelievable

2001 Seattle Mariners
Salaries

Aaron Sele $7,000,000.00
John Olerud $6,700,000.00
Jamie Moyer $6,500,000.00
Ichiro Suzuki $5,666,667.00
Edgar Martinez $5,500,000.00
Al Martin $5,000,000.00
Kazuhiro Sasaki $4,666,667.00
Dan Wilson $4,400,000.00
Mike Cameron $3,416,667.00
Jeff Nelson $3,333,333.00
Bret Boone $3,250,000.00
Arthur Rhodes $3,250,000.00
David Bell $2,200,000.00
Mark McLemore $2,000,000.00
Jay Buhner $1,850,000.00
Paul Abbott $1,700,000.00
Stan Javier $1,500,000.00
Tom Lampkin $1,100,000.00
Brett Tomko $1,100,000.00
Jose Paniagua $837,500.00
Freddy Garcia $425,000.00
John Halama $425,000.00
Carlos Guillen $285,000.00
Charles Gipson $235,000.00
Ryan Franklin $202,500.00
Anthony Sanders $202,500.00

 

[Archie]

after a few weeks. most teams don't match up 1's vs 1's ect anymore.

rotation's are very fluid in that manner, with days off, rain outs, skipped starts for shoulder soreness ect kinda stuff

 

[Fu Manchu]

dustin.... stop dredging up skeletons from the bottom of my closet pal

 

[Archie]

wow this is unbelievable

2001 Seattle Mariners
Salaries

Aaron Sele $7,000,000.00
John Olerud $6,700,000.00
Jamie Moyer $6,500,000.00
Ichiro Suzuki $5,666,667.00
Edgar Martinez $5,500,000.00
Al Martin $5,000,000.00
Kazuhiro Sasaki $4,666,667.00
Dan Wilson $4,400,000.00
Mike Cameron $3,416,667.00
Jeff Nelson $3,333,333.00
Bret Boone $3,250,000.00
Arthur Rhodes $3,250,000.00
David Bell $2,200,000.00
Mark McLemore $2,000,000.00
Jay Buhner $1,850,000.00
Paul Abbott $1,700,000.00
Stan Javier $1,500,000.00
Tom Lampkin $1,100,000.00
Brett Tomko $1,100,000.00
Jose Paniagua $837,500.00
Freddy Garcia $425,000.00
John Halama $425,000.00
Carlos Guillen $285,000.00
Charles Gipson $235,000.00
Ryan Franklin $202,500.00
Anthony Sanders $202,500.00

no doubt, unbelievable in so many ways. how many huge stars are there in that group?

this is a team that won more than all the famous Yankee teams, ect.

and they have 1 sure fire hall of famer in their lineup

 

[MrMonkey]

Blanton will most likely be gone and possibly trying to get rid of Ibanez and big contract. If so Dom Brown will start immediately in the bigs and then find another corner outfielder.

Remember the middle infield of Rollins and Utley missed about 120 games and both had sub par years when healthy. Howard even could have had a more power type year. Still with the injuries 3 great starters for almost half a year saved them. Now 4 of them and if no injuries then 2011 World Series champs.

Can't believe they spent the money! Fans will be elated and as much as they loved Lee before, they will kiss the ground he walks on for coming here and taking less money. Will be real hard to find tickets now at face value. Place already is usually sold out every game.

 

[l7ustin]

a lot of no name guys and they won all those games for a pay roll under 72million. clifton phifer is getting 20 next season by himself

 

[l7ustin]

dustin.... stop drudging up skeletons from the bottom of my closet pal

sorry pal it just blew my mine when i saw the roster and even more so when i saw the salaries

 

[l7ustin]

Blanton will most likely be gone and possibly trying to get rid of Ibanez and big contract. If so Dom Brown will start immediately in the bigs and then find another corner outfielder.

Remember the middle infield of Rollins and Utley missed about 120 games and both had sub par years when healthy. Howard even could have had a more power type year. Still with the injuries 3 great starters for almost half a year saved them. Now 4 of them and if no injuries then 2011 World Series champs.

Can't believe they spent the money! Fans will be elated and as much as they loved Lee before, they will kiss the ground he walks on for coming here and taking less money. Will be real hard to find tickets now at face value. Place already is usually sold out every game.

youre near philly? you a phillies fan?

 

[Archie]

speaking of HOF players on one team. I just finished reading a book written by a guy that sat in the bleachers every day of the 1987 cubs season...

and that team had an unbelievable amount of potential hall of fame players, mostly young guys before they got real good.. and Moyer was just Above avg for a very very very long time......

but think about it....

Andre Dawson
Rafael Palmiero
Lee Smith
Greg Maddux
Ryne Sandberg
Jamie Moyer

 

[Polaroid]

possibly trying to get rid of Ibanez and big contract.

The only way they will get rid of him is to eat the rest of his contract (~$10 million for 2011). Since it's his last season, I'd say he's staying.

 

[MrMonkey]

youre near philly? you a phillies fan?

Yes and yes. Across the river in South Jersey.

 

[MrMonkey]

The only way they will get rid of him is to eat the rest of his contract (~$10 million for 2011). Since it's his last season, I'd say he's staying.

Yes buddy, unless they can get somebody to pay half of it, he probably will stay and also hoping for somebody to take Blanton and with 2 years left on his contract almost certain to be gone no matter how much they have to eat.