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Before I get to the play/s I need to be educated on something. In terms of affecting teams, which positions are most critial? I would assume goalie might be at the top but what about after that?

Also in looking at injuries I notice one website list Ian LaPerriere of the Philly Flyers as a Center and another site list him as a Right Winger, is he both, does it matter, is he any good/star player on the team?
 
Jesus Christ Waldo, Ian Laperriere is on the verge of retiring due to a massive concussion he received by basically blocking a shot with his face at the end of last season. You better do more research when capping games kid.
 
Pucky, I'm going strictly off stats. I don't know teams, players, rules, situations or anything that might be essential for truly capping hockey. Hell I don't even watch hockey highlights on ESPN. This is the very beginning for me.
 
Durito, I can't answer that question and I am certian you already know that. I am just starting out in hockey, I am exploring various approaches, I basically have no clue but again, you already know that. Durito, funny doesn't work so well for you.
 
At this point the stats serve primarily as coin flippin' with an edge.

Trying to handicap haphazardly using stats when you don't know what you're doing can yield much worse results than coin-flipping. A lot of edges exist because people in the market assume that certain stats as more predictive than they are. Those bettors will lose more than the vig.
 
MrX
Trying to handicap haphazardly using stats when you don't know what you're doing can yield much worse results than coin-flipping. A lot of edges exist because people in the market assume that certain stats as more predictive than they are. Those bettors will lose more than the vig.

I need to go back to pointing out when I am being sarcastic again. Sorry Matty.
 
No, I knew you didn't think you actually had an edge, but I just wanted to point out that you could be doing yourself a disservice by trying to make some stat-based decisions. Just trying to help. Honestly.
 
I do appreciate it Mr.X.

I really shouldn't be messing around with hockey at all but I have to make a play everyday and so at some point basketball and hockey will need to be wagered on so I am trying to learn somethng about the sport.
 
Wal,

Plommer told me capping the goalie is the most important part in hockey. Basically you live and die by how good of a night the goalie you backed has. The goalie in hockey is much more important than soccer in terms of betting angles.
 
Makes sense Pav's.

I've gotten myself in a mess with this blog deal. I had the chance to just get paid but I chose instead to accept a weekly play for pay deal instead cause it was football season and because of previous success. Unfortunatley "previous" is past tense in the most literal of terms. Sure I get to lose for free basically and absolutely losing makes for better blogs but it takes it's toll on you mentally.
 
Mr.X, or anyone else that wants to reply. Stats, are part of capping a game. Granted they aren't the sole source but they provide a service. For instance like Pavy mentioned about a goalie. A goalie's stats are taken into consideration, how many saves vs how many shot attempts or his save ratio (whatever it's called). A teams shots on goal vs goals scored. I'm not saying stats are everything but you have to factor team and player stats into the equation.

I'm not picking a fight or attempting to start another debate.
 
Don't get me wrong, my method's are 100% stats based. Stats aren't everything, but they're enough, at least for most sports.

The danger lies in interpreting them. To make good decisions, what you're really interested in is the most likely future stats, which is basically the same as the particular skill level in question of the player/team/defence/whatever. But of course, all you have is past stats. One of the biggest mistakes you can make is to assume that past stats are an adequate indicator of true skill level. Or that a small sample of recent stats are a better indicator than a large sample of past stats (pitcher's hot last 5 games). Or that a small selective sample is a better indicator than a larger broad sample (this guy crushes the ball in April).

Sometimes those assumptions are true. Usually they are not. You really need to at least know how predictive the stat is (google "regression to the mean") and how big of a sample size you're looking at. For larger sample sizes, you also would like to know how predictive past vs recent performance is (decay functions) and how aging affects performance, but you can actually get by reasonably well without reaching that level.

Most unsophisticated bettors err way on the side of assigning too much predictive value to common stats and too much value to recent performance and other small samples.

That's why looking at common stats without a deeper understanding of what you're doing will often put you soundly on the wrong side of a game.